possible sollution

Mon May 20 18:57:15 EDT 2002

You know I really hate winers. I hate those who not only are to damned
lazy to read, but those who will even admitt their to lazy to read. They
act as though their time is so valuable they can't be bothered even
making some attempt at solving the problem. Well all I can say is piss
off and don't ask any questions until you make some attempt to help
yourself. I also hate when fuck stick people use this forum to single
out someone for their tirades. This really could have been handled off
list unless your ranting against those idiots in general.
I hate lazy people as much as the next person.

On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 12:07:29PM -0500, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> First: How did you know when to select nest in Windows when You can't 
> install a screen reader until after you install Windows?
> Second:  When people tell you to go to a web sight, they are 
> telling you where to find help for your problem.  If you're to
> stupid or lazy to bother learning, that is your fault.
> Third: All the distributions I've tried have the same aproach
> during their install.  Mainly, if you don't know just press
> enter and the install program will make a choice for you.
>          Kenny
> 
> On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 07:14:16AM +0300, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> > Yes I thought the same but I've discovered that  I can't install Linux by
> > myself, without sighted help, especially if I don't know  too many things
> > about Linux.
> > In Windows, even  somebody don't know too many things, they could press the
> > "next" button and the system will be installed.
> > A friend installed me Red Hat, and there were some errors when trying to
> > install it. He solved the problem, but he also read me those errors and they
> > were criptical for me.
> > 
> > What I don't like under Linux is that there is no help for newbies.
> > The people that know very much don't want to lose their times to teach
> > others.
> > They simply point to a web site, and that's all.
> > Well, I am not online all the time because I am on dial up.
> > The other manuals are only text format, and I should read a lot just to  get
> > the information I want.
> > 
> > I know, linux is very easy to use if you stay and read manuals for a few
> > months, but it is not my style of learning.
> > 
> > I like the trial and fail by example way of learning.
> > 
> > This is not very easy under Linux because I don't see any error message
> > telling me what's wrong.
> > 
> > I can see "segmentation fault" and I don't know what can I do to solve it...
> > It is the same with the error messages from the log files.
> > They tell more than the error messages from under Windows, I think, but I
> > should learn by manual and it is not my style.
> > 
> > I've tried learning from some lists, and almost all the help was "go to
> > http:// ....
> > I think you've got the idea.
> > 
> > Well, I've made some lists on Yahoogroups for the blind and I really try to
> > help the people telling them step by step how to do some things, but Linux
> > people don't have the time.
> > 
> > Even that friend that installed me Linux told me that if he sees some stupid
> > questions on a list, he doesn't answer because he loses his time.
> > Well, he is right, but if the people who don't know can't find help from the
> > people who know, then why joining a list?
> > Just for pointing to a web page?
> > I know to search with Google and I can find a lot of information about
> > Linux, but  it will take me a lot of time to find what I could find with a
> > single question and answer.
> > 
> > I have a lot of books about Linux and Unix but I don't have the time to read
> > them all.
> > 
> > With my way of learning, I've learned a lot of things for Windows, but is
> > very hard to follow this way under Linux.
> > 
> > Maybe I should change my way ... If I can.
> > 
> > Teddy,
> > orasnita at home.ro
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 5:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: possible sollution
> > 
> > 
> > This is ridiculous. What do you mean you don't have another
> > "solution?" You have Linux, right? Why would you even want to go
> > further? Why would you bother to waste time compromising yourself
> > over some technology that doesn't even care about you? What kind
> > of a masochist are you, anyway? Stand up for yourself, and let
> > that other stuff go. You don't need it.
> > 
> > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> > 
> > > Thank you. So the people don't want the others attention. I think that's
> > the
> > > problem.
> > > In some countries, it is  something very bad to crack or to use pirated
> > > software, but in others, the computer users have no other solution.
> > > So if I can't afford to buy something, than the company that produces that
> > > software don't lose anything anyway, because if I don't steal it, I won't
> > > use it. That's all.
> > >
> > > Teddy,
> > > orasnita at home.ro
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "brian Moore" <admin at bmoore.yi.org>
> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:58 AM
> > > Subject: Re: possible sollution
> > >
> > >
> > > our copy right laws in Canada are not significantly different in many
> > > respects than those in the u.s.  this is one of my gripes with
> > > bookshare abut that is a separate issue.  we have the same provisions
> > > which allow for alternate format distribution but we still can't get
> > > access.
> > >
> > > I am no copy right lawyer but I would suspect that discussing how one
> > > might by pass a copy protection system is not strictly illegal, it
> > > might attract some unwanted attention.
> > >
> > > Brian.
> > >
> > >
> > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> > >
> > > On 5/18/02 at 5:50 AM Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> > >
> > > >Is illegal in Canada to speak about cracks?
> > > >To speak, not to crack.
> > > >
> > > >Thank you for information.
> > > >Teddy,
> > > >orasnita at home.ro
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg at romualt.dhs.org>
> > > >To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > >Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 3:34 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: possible sollution
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I agree. However, this list is on a machine in Canada. So ... Of
> > > course, I
> > > >don't know what the differences in such laws are between the 2
> > > countries.
> > > >Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 08:30:51PM -0400, Cecil H. Whitley wrote:
> > > >> *snip*
> > > >>
> > > >> > Hey Igor,
> > > >> > What you may want to look at is just doing a dump *snip*
> > > >>
> > > >> Can you please cease and desist with this on this list?  After all,
> > > there
> > > >is
> > > >> a DMCA for us here in the u.s.  This thread is quite possibly over
> > > the
> > > >line
> > > >> of what is legal within this country.  I for one do not wish to see
> > > this
> > > >> list banned and the site blocked and I assume that either or both
> > > could
> > > >> occur within the u.s.  Your cooperation is appreciated.
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> Cecil Whitley
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
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