possible sollution

Sun May 19 13:07:29 EDT 2002

First: How did you know when to select nest in Windows when You can't 
install a screen reader until after you install Windows?
Second:  When people tell you to go to a web sight, they are 
telling you where to find help for your problem.  If you're to
stupid or lazy to bother learning, that is your fault.
Third: All the distributions I've tried have the same aproach
during their install.  Mainly, if you don't know just press
enter and the install program will make a choice for you.
         Kenny

On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 07:14:16AM +0300, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> Yes I thought the same but I've discovered that  I can't install Linux by
> myself, without sighted help, especially if I don't know  too many things
> about Linux.
> In Windows, even  somebody don't know too many things, they could press the
> "next" button and the system will be installed.
> A friend installed me Red Hat, and there were some errors when trying to
> install it. He solved the problem, but he also read me those errors and they
> were criptical for me.
> 
> What I don't like under Linux is that there is no help for newbies.
> The people that know very much don't want to lose their times to teach
> others.
> They simply point to a web site, and that's all.
> Well, I am not online all the time because I am on dial up.
> The other manuals are only text format, and I should read a lot just to  get
> the information I want.
> 
> I know, linux is very easy to use if you stay and read manuals for a few
> months, but it is not my style of learning.
> 
> I like the trial and fail by example way of learning.
> 
> This is not very easy under Linux because I don't see any error message
> telling me what's wrong.
> 
> I can see "segmentation fault" and I don't know what can I do to solve it...
> It is the same with the error messages from the log files.
> They tell more than the error messages from under Windows, I think, but I
> should learn by manual and it is not my style.
> 
> I've tried learning from some lists, and almost all the help was "go to
> http:// ....
> I think you've got the idea.
> 
> Well, I've made some lists on Yahoogroups for the blind and I really try to
> help the people telling them step by step how to do some things, but Linux
> people don't have the time.
> 
> Even that friend that installed me Linux told me that if he sees some stupid
> questions on a list, he doesn't answer because he loses his time.
> Well, he is right, but if the people who don't know can't find help from the
> people who know, then why joining a list?
> Just for pointing to a web page?
> I know to search with Google and I can find a lot of information about
> Linux, but  it will take me a lot of time to find what I could find with a
> single question and answer.
> 
> I have a lot of books about Linux and Unix but I don't have the time to read
> them all.
> 
> With my way of learning, I've learned a lot of things for Windows, but is
> very hard to follow this way under Linux.
> 
> Maybe I should change my way ... If I can.
> 
> Teddy,
> orasnita at home.ro
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 5:56 AM
> Subject: Re: possible sollution
> 
> 
> This is ridiculous. What do you mean you don't have another
> "solution?" You have Linux, right? Why would you even want to go
> further? Why would you bother to waste time compromising yourself
> over some technology that doesn't even care about you? What kind
> of a masochist are you, anyway? Stand up for yourself, and let
> that other stuff go. You don't need it.
> 
> On Sun, 19 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> 
> > Thank you. So the people don't want the others attention. I think that's
> the
> > problem.
> > In some countries, it is  something very bad to crack or to use pirated
> > software, but in others, the computer users have no other solution.
> > So if I can't afford to buy something, than the company that produces that
> > software don't lose anything anyway, because if I don't steal it, I won't
> > use it. That's all.
> >
> > Teddy,
> > orasnita at home.ro
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "brian Moore" <admin at bmoore.yi.org>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: possible sollution
> >
> >
> > our copy right laws in Canada are not significantly different in many
> > respects than those in the u.s.  this is one of my gripes with
> > bookshare abut that is a separate issue.  we have the same provisions
> > which allow for alternate format distribution but we still can't get
> > access.
> >
> > I am no copy right lawyer but I would suspect that discussing how one
> > might by pass a copy protection system is not strictly illegal, it
> > might attract some unwanted attention.
> >
> > Brian.
> >
> >
> > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> >
> > On 5/18/02 at 5:50 AM Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> >
> > >Is illegal in Canada to speak about cracks?
> > >To speak, not to crack.
> > >
> > >Thank you for information.
> > >Teddy,
> > >orasnita at home.ro
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg at romualt.dhs.org>
> > >To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > >Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 3:34 AM
> > >Subject: Re: possible sollution
> > >
> > >
> > >I agree. However, this list is on a machine in Canada. So ... Of
> > course, I
> > >don't know what the differences in such laws are between the 2
> > countries.
> > >Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 08:30:51PM -0400, Cecil H. Whitley wrote:
> > >> *snip*
> > >>
> > >> > Hey Igor,
> > >> > What you may want to look at is just doing a dump *snip*
> > >>
> > >> Can you please cease and desist with this on this list?  After all,
> > there
> > >is
> > >> a DMCA for us here in the u.s.  This thread is quite possibly over
> > the
> > >line
> > >> of what is legal within this country.  I for one do not wish to see
> > this
> > >> list banned and the site blocked and I assume that either or both
> > could
> > >> occur within the u.s.  Your cooperation is appreciated.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Cecil Whitley
> > >>
> > >>
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> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
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