Fedora23 workstation install

Wed May 18 11:22:35 EDT 2016

Thanks much for the skinny on orca+a, if you try an install of fedora 
again you might want to run that initial gnome setup program and try 
orca+a inside of it when you get to the text fields.  It could be orca+a 
makes that program lots more accessible and usable.

On Wed, 18 May 2016, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 10:06:01
> From: Janina Sajka <janina at rednote.net>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>     <speakup at linux-speakup.org>
> To: speakup at linux-speakup.org
> Subject: Re: Fedora23 workstation install
> 
> Orca's "sticky mode" keeps you in a text edit field until you expressly
> leave it, e.g. by tabbing out.
>
> This can be very useful in those situations where beginning to type
> actually takes you out of the edit field because of the way the
> underlying code was written.
>
> An example is the password entry field when logging into Last Pass.
>
> I've no idea whether your problems using the Fedora screens are related,
> but it sure sounds like they could be at least part of the problem.
>
> Yes, it's a good command to know and use. Orca+A twice in succession,
> and Orca will say "Focus mode is sticky."
>
> PS: Glad to hear you were successful with the install, though you're
> also confirming what we've known for sometime about the Fedora
> installer.
>
> I'll have to try it myself the next time I need to do a fresh install on
> some machine.
>
> hth
>
> Janina
>
> Jude DaShiell writes:
>> What does making orca sticky do?  That probably will be useful to know for
>> future.  I did manage to get Fedora to install with root and user accounts
>> and had to use flat review in configuration screen and at the bottom of the
>> configuration screen there was an inaudible icon just above the panel and
>> when I hit enter on that icon, I was able to finish the remainder of the
>> installation.  I also found out that initial gnome setup program needs lots
>> of accessibility repair; it was usable with orca but barely.  Add accounts
>> screen one could move up and down but had to hit enter on a selection to
>> have it identify itself and then be able to add account.  Text boxes inside
>> didn't identify themselves as such either for user-id and password.
>> 
>> On Mon, 16 May 2016, Janina Sajka wrote:
>> 
>> > Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 15:14:39
>> > From: Janina Sajka <janina at rednote.net>
>> > Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>> >     <speakup at linux-speakup.org>
>> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup at linux-speakup.org>
>> > Subject: Re: Fedora23 workstation install
>> > 
>> > Press enter on your command.
>> > 
>> > Also, in your password widget, have you made Orca sticky in the text
>> > input field? i.e. Orca+A twice in rapid succession.
>> > 
>> > Jude DaShiell writes:
>> > > I could have done that except I found out post-install alt-f2 gnome-terminal
>> > > using gnome classic puts me in an enter command box with a close button and
>> > > once that close button is hit the command does not execute.
>> > > 
>> > > On Sun, 15 May 2016, Janina Sajka wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > >Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 00:34:31
>> > > >From: Janina Sajka <janina at rednote.net>
>> > > >Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>> > > >    <speakup at linux-speakup.org>
>> > > >To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup at linux-speakup.org>
>> > > >Subject: Re: Fedora23 workstation install
>> > > >
>> > > >Well, I don't know. You're using some kind of graphical widget, and I
>> > > >don't bother with those. I simply open a console/terminal and enter the
>> > > >passwd command. I get no molly coddling from the passwd command.
>> > > >
>> > > >PS: Of course, you need to be root, to modify root's passwd.
>> > > >
>> > > >Jude DaShiell writes:
>> > > >>There is no such widget in fedora installer so far as I know.  What
>> > > >>repeatedly happens on both fedora23workstation-x86-64 and
>> > > >>fedora24workstation-x86-64-beta is I enter a password for root then I can
>> > > >>hit enter or tab and enter the same password for confirmation and then hit
>> > > >>the _done button and am repeatedly told root password not set user account
>> > > >>will not be created.  The downloaded beta version was from bittorrent and
>> > > >>Fedora23 was through wget since I couldn't find a torrent for that iso.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>If the fedora spins ever include the orca dependency stack, and if those
>> > > >>install better than workstation, I'll be able to run orca on kde and start
>> > > >>testing jovie and kaccessible but there doesn't appear to be any interest in
>> > > >>that by spin developers.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>I thought in light of the difficulties that prompted this thread Fedora had
>> > > >>length and character requirements for root passwords like navy passwords
>> > > >>used to be 14 characters long and you had to have two upper two lower two
>> > > >>numbers and two symbols in them.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>On Fri, 13 May 2016, Janina Sajka wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>>Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 15:39:16
>> > > >>>From: Janina Sajka <janina at rednote.net>
>> > > >>>Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>> > > >>>    <speakup at linux-speakup.org>
>> > > >>>To: speakup at linux-speakup.org
>> > > >>>Subject: Re: Fedora23 workstation install
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>afaik, there's no requirement. You could even have an empty passwd. That
>> > > >>>would be more than foolish, of course, but you could do it. I can tell
>> > > >>>you that my Fedora passwords are much shorter, for instance.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>Are you perhaps getting confused by an evaluation widget that gives real time
>> > > >>>feedback on the strength of your entered password? I believe there's
>> > > >>>this kind of guidance going on in the graphical environment. My
>> > > >>>passwords do well on that widget because I avoid correctly spelled
>> > > >>>dictionary words, and I mix case, numerics, and punctuation into my
>> > > >>>passwords. Still, the number of chars can be counted on your fingers.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>hth
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>Janina
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>Jude DaShiell writes:
>> > > >>>>What are root password security requirements for Fedora23?  How many
>> > > >>>>characters; what types of characters as minimums?  Passwords I've entered
>> > > >>>>one of which was 14 characters in length may be too short, but the installer
>> > > >>>>doesn't complain coherently and explain exactly what is wrong with a
>> > > >>>>password so I can't tell what I'm doing wrong.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
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>> > Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
>> > 			sip:janina at asterisk.rednote.net
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