speakup todo?

Sun Sep 16 18:50:27 EDT 2012

You wrote:
Now, on to your OS comment. Do you currently use Linux with Speakup?
Because this isn't something "less techy folks" are going to do. Yes, I
would love to see Linux as a viable option to replace Windows for blind
people, but it's not there and changing Speakups key bindings to work
more like Jaws isn't going to get it there.
* that is an untested opinion.
Glenn

On 9/16/2012 4:33 PM, Glenn wrote:
> I am referring to the attitude, not the result.
> The attitude here is that people either have to do it this way, or not at
> all.
> We all owe a lot to mostly sighted programmers, and some Blind ones too, 
> who
> wanted to make computers accessible to the Blind.
> Now that you are in, so to speak, why should you care if less techie folks
> get to use something other than windows?
> Some sighted folks think that it is nice if we can use a computer, but 
> they
> don't care enough to make it happen for us.
> We see this in equipment like cell phones.
> Most people think that we all can learn a bunch of unspoken commands to 
> use
> a cell phone.
> I can, but I sure don't wish to do that if I don't have to.
> So many folks, for example, will use a less functional phone like the 
> Haven,
> because it is totally accessible, rather than having a phone with 
> bluetooth
> or a camera.
> Now if phone makers cared enough to make all phones accessible like the
> Haven, then we could choose according to actual phone functions.
> Likewise, it would be nice if folks could try Linux based on its merits as
> an OS, but because they have invested a lot into learning JFW, and they 
> will
> never change, because that is the path of less resistance.
> And like I mentioned before, unless someone is techie enough to care about
> it, the extra work involved is not worth it, because folks don't 
> understand
> the benefits of an OS like Linux.
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com>
> To: "Glenn" <glennervin at gmail.com>; "Speakup is a screen review system for
> Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:12 PM
> Subject: Re: speakup todo?
>
>
> No, htis isn't the attitude the sighted people have. Learning a new
> operating system requires just that, that you sit down and learn. Look
> at all the blind people jumping on the OSX band waggon and buying $1800
> shiny MacBooks. They learned those, and Voiceover's keys are nothing
> like Jaws's.
> On 9/16/2012 3:51 PM, Glenn wrote:
>> Actually, it is this attitude among the sighted, that keeps most
>> technology
>> from being made accessible to the Blind.
>> Wow.
>> Glenn
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alonzo Cuellar" <mariachiac at gmail.com>
>> To: "Glenn" <glennervin at gmail.com>; "Speakup is a screen review system 
>> for
>> Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: speakup todo?
>>
>>
>> I think the key bindings are fine. There is no trouble with them at all.
>> Always be able to expand your mind set. Even if little progress is made.
>> After all, you get more advantages from learning the way other screen
>> readers work.
>> I can see where the option might be useful, but if you don't learn it 
>> full
>> force and always stay trapped in the way jaws works, then you'll never
>> expand your horizons.
>> people come to linux expecting it to be something like windows. Its not
>> and
>> it probably never will be similar to windows. Its made for you to 
>> explore,
>> etc.
>> I was forced in using linux due to an accident I had with my computer.
>> That
>> was fine by me though. Ever since then I prefer the unix variances 
>> weather
>> is be linux or mac.
>> I'm no programmer by any means, but I do enjoy working with other
>> operating
>> systems.
>> The argument that only techies spend the time to learn new keyboard
>> commands
>> is always widely used. I consider that as an excuse. Everyone can learn
>> how
>> to use a device weather it be a phone or computer. Maybe the person may
>> have
>> difficulty and may not excel where in mastering it, but thats ok. You can
>> apply this to any situation.
>> If we were to stop learning… Then we would never excel and stay trapped 
>> in
>> the mind frame that this or that is to hard.
>> Learn while you still can. Once you get older it gets harder to learn and
>> thats where it might be a problem.
>>
>> Alonzo
>>
>>
>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Glenn <glennervin at cableone.net> wrote:
>>
>>> That is the kind of thinking that will keep Linux in the shadows.
>>> I teach people how to use screenreaders, and people have a hard enough
>>> time
>>> switching from the mouse to all these keyboard commands.
>>> When people begrudgingly learn JFW keyboard mappings to some degree, do
>>> you
>>> think they will willing go out to learn different key mappings?
>>> Only the techie types do that.
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com>
>>> To: "Glenn" <glennervin at gmail.com>; "Speakup is a screen review system
>>> for
>>> Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:39 PM
>>> Subject: Re: speakup todo?
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not really to worried about JFW key mappings honestly. First it's
>>> sort of weird, but mainly if they can't get used to using different
>>> keys, they're never going to live on Linux, at least not in the cli.
>>> On 9/16/2012 2:34 PM, Glenn wrote:
>>>> The big one for SpeakUp would be for it to have the option to switch to
>>>> JFW
>>>> key mappings.
>>>> This will allow many people to switch to Linux easily.
>>>> Microsoft did this with MS Word, allowing people to use Word Perfect 
>>>> key
>>>> mappings.
>>>> I think this is the only way Linux will ever become any more popular to
>>>> screenreader users.
>>>> Glenn
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com>
>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>>> <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:17 PM
>>>> Subject: speakup todo?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello all:
>>>> I'm trying to transfer, and applying for scholarships and all that I'd
>>>> like to be able to make some contributions to projects that I can note.
>>>> I'm interested in learning more about kernel programming, and I figured
>>>> I'd start by working on something I use almost daily. I'm curious then
>>>> if there's some sort of todo or improvements speakup could have to it.
>>>> I'd also be curious if someone has thought about moving it to
>>>> userspace--as far as I know, the only thing that we really need the
>>>> kernel for would be hardware speech (and since serial ports are dying
>>>> out that could be a dead point), and accessing the console directly. 
>>>> How
>>>> easy would it be then, to have speakup run in userspace, but access a
>>>> smaller cut-down version of itself in the kernel to provide the access
>>>> to the console we need?
>>>> We could use sequence files and access the console through /proc. It
>>>> could return a file of 2-byte chars, which I believe is how it works
>>>> now--one byte is the color, and the other byte is the ascii value. The
>>>> sequence file would just iterate over the console's lines. I'm also
>>>> curious how we'd handle something like key presses like caps+u to move
>>>> up a line etc.
>>>>
>>>> If I'm way off here, I'd still like to help out if possible; is there a
>>>> todo list around, or stuff people would like to see done? If there are
>>>> people willing to answer questions from time to time in terms of the
>>>> kernel programming, since that's something I've not done before, I'm
>>>> game to start coding.
>>>>
>>>> Another question is then, how do people catch panics? Since I'm not
>>>> quite cool enough to write code that just works, I'm sure I'll be
>>>> dealing with panics, but I can't see them on the console and usually
>>>> it's when speakup goes boom anyway.
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Take care,
>>> Ty
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>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
>>> that
>>> dares not reason is a slave.
>>>
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-- 
Take care,
Ty
http://tds-solutions.net
The aspen project: a barebones light-weight mud engine:
http://code.google.com/p/aspenmud
He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that 
dares not reason is a slave.

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