Main advantages of SBL over Speakup

Pia pmikeal at comcast.net
Fri Feb 12 18:00:49 EST 2010 

That is an old box.  We bought ones faster than that 3 years 
ago. I even looked at a consumer grade box that old 2 years ago for my own 
purchase for a home box.  It was really fast then and I didn't want to 
spend the money.  You have to keep in mind that just because something is 
new as in a new purchase from an OEM does not at all mean that it is new 
technology.

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, John G. Heim wrote:

> So you have these bleeding edge computers yet for some reason, you insist 
> they're typical? For the record, 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' on my department's new 
> Dell PCs says this:
> model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad  CPU   Q8200  @ 2.33GHz
>
> Its a quad core Intel machine just a few months old. I would suggest that its 
> your experience that is atypical, not mine.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pia" <pmikeal at comcast.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Main advantages of SBL over Speakup
>
>
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> Does your computer have an i7 CPU or equivalent or is it an earlier
>> generation?  Specifically, the newest computer motherboards are being
>> manufactured with no serial ports, headers or otherwise.  We order Dells
>> too and build our own.  Usually we buy our motherboards from New Egg and
>> we are nit picky about each spec and so I guarantee that what I am saying
>> is accurate.  I would argue that perhaps since you work for the math
>> department, you may not have the same demand for the bleeding edge like we
>> do in Structural Biology where we need to look at 3D models of viruses and
>> other small things in great detail.  We love your University's job
>> distribution system named Condor BTW, thank you! :)  Keep in mind though,
>> that the i7 will go from scientific number crunching geek, or gamer
>> technology to the norm in about a year or so.  Therefore, motherboards
>> lacking a serial port are already here and coming down the pike quickly
>> for those who don't already have them.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Pia
>> 
>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010, John G. Heim wrote:
>> 
>>> Dude, my computer is not old. I work for the University of Wisconsin
>>> Department of Mathematics and we order 30 to 40 new desktops a year. Every
>>> one of them has had a serial port. Every single one. True, we order
>>> exclusively from Dell. So maybe Dell is a cut above wherever you get your
>>> computers from. But I recently built my own PC from parts I ordered from
>>> newegg and the mobo I bought has a serial port.
>>> 
>>> Since you're building your own PCs, you might try double checking the 
>>> specs
>>> on the motherboard. It may have a serial port header block but no external
>>> connection. If so, then you just need an adapter to go from the header 
>>> block
>>> to the case. If you're building your own PCs, why don't you just order 
>>> mobos
>>> with external serial ports? Or at least make sure it has a serial port 
>>> header
>>> block and you can install the adapter just in the machines where you need 
>>> a
>>> serial port.
>>> 
>>> From: "Pia" <pmikeal at comcast.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>>> <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Main advantages of SBL over Speakup
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Totally agreed with you about the need for early boot messages to be
>>>> spoken.  Your statement about most boxen having serial ports is incorrect
>>>> though.  At work we mostly order new Workstations with Cor i7 CPUs or
>>>> build them ourselves with similar specs.  None and I mean none of the
>>>> motherboards have serial ports at all.  If your computer does have a
>>>> serial port it is getting pretty old, it has an added serial card in an
>>>> expansion slot, or it is a server.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Pia
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, John G. Heim wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Well, perhaps its a minor point but plenty of modern computers have 
>>>>> serial
>>>>> ports. I've never seen a server that didn't have a serial port. In fact,
>>>>> except for laptops, I have yet to see a computer that doesn't have a
>>>>> serial
>>>>> port. That includes the 200 or so desktop units we have where I work. 
>>>>> Even
>>>>> the machine I built myself has a serial port.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It certainly is a huge over statement to say that having speakup in the
>>>>> kernel  has no advantage. If you manage servers like I do, having 
>>>>> speakup
>>>>> in
>>>>> the kernel is just about the most important thing there is for a screen
>>>>> reader. I don't really care that much about what happens after the 
>>>>> machine
>>>>> is
>>>>> booted. About the only time I need a run time screen reader is if
>>>>> something
>>>>> is wrong with networking. But mostly, I can admin these machines 
>>>>> remotely
>>>>> after they boot.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Astrope" 
>>>>> <astrope at tabbweb.com>
>>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>>>> <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:09 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Main advantages of SBL over Speakup
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Samuel, do you mean there is no kernel convention for accessing serial
>>>>> ports or there is no speakup support for accessing serial ports 
>>>>> according
>>>>> to kernel conventions?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It would be really great if speakup could use ttyS# devices, so speakup
>>>>> would work with modern motherboards that do not have built-in serial
>>>>> ports. The way I see it is speakup can only use software speech on 
>>>>> modern
>>>>> computers, so unless it can access external serial ports or usb serial
>>>>> ports, there really is no advantage to speakup being in the kernel so 
>>>>> far
>>>>> as I can tell...
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bill Cox, le Tue 09 Feb 2010 14:23:25 -0500, a écrit :
>>>>>>> I hear that it doesn't follow kernel
>>>>>>> programming conventions, for example in how it interfaces to the COM
>>>>>>> ports.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, because no such thing exists (yet).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Samuel
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