Main advantages of SBL over Speakup

Fri Feb 12 14:32:27 EST 2010

Hello,
I'm really not sure what the big deal is, the bottom line is this.
1. speakup should support usb to serial port adapters in future.
2. most new computers that are built for consumers don't have serial ports.
People are right, most newer mobos that aren't built for servers don't
have serial ports.
Technology is changing and serial ports are on the way out, but I
understand the preference for hardware speech.

On 2/12/2010 10:29, John G. Heim wrote:
> So you have these bleeding edge computers yet for some reason, you
> insist they're typical? For the record, 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' on my
> department's new Dell PCs says this:
> model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad  CPU   Q8200  @ 2.33GHz
> 
> Its a quad core Intel machine just a few months old. I would suggest
> that its your experience that is atypical, not mine.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pia" <pmikeal at comcast.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Main advantages of SBL over Speakup
> 
> 
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Does your computer have an i7 CPU or equivalent or is it an earlier
>> generation?  Specifically, the newest computer motherboards are being
>> manufactured with no serial ports, headers or otherwise.  We order Dells
>> too and build our own.  Usually we buy our motherboards from New Egg and
>> we are nit picky about each spec and so I guarantee that what I am saying
>> is accurate.  I would argue that perhaps since you work for the math
>> department, you may not have the same demand for the bleeding edge
>> like we
>> do in Structural Biology where we need to look at 3D models of viruses
>> and
>> other small things in great detail.  We love your University's job
>> distribution system named Condor BTW, thank you! :)  Keep in mind though,
>> that the i7 will go from scientific number crunching geek, or gamer
>> technology to the norm in about a year or so.  Therefore, motherboards
>> lacking a serial port are already here and coming down the pike quickly
>> for those who don't already have them.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Pia
>>
>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010, John G. Heim wrote:
>>
>>> Dude, my computer is not old. I work for the University of Wisconsin
>>> Department of Mathematics and we order 30 to 40 new desktops a year.
>>> Every
>>> one of them has had a serial port. Every single one. True, we order
>>> exclusively from Dell. So maybe Dell is a cut above wherever you get
>>> your
>>> computers from. But I recently built my own PC from parts I ordered from
>>> newegg and the mobo I bought has a serial port.
>>>
>>> Since you're building your own PCs, you might try double checking the
>>> specs
>>> on the motherboard. It may have a serial port header block but no
>>> external
>>> connection. If so, then you just need an adapter to go from the
>>> header block
>>> to the case. If you're building your own PCs, why don't you just
>>> order mobos
>>> with external serial ports? Or at least make sure it has a serial
>>> port header
>>> block and you can install the adapter just in the machines where you
>>> need a
>>> serial port.
>>>
>>> From: "Pia" <pmikeal at comcast.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>> <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Main advantages of SBL over Speakup
>>>
>>>
>>>> Totally agreed with you about the need for early boot messages to be
>>>> spoken.  Your statement about most boxen having serial ports is
>>>> incorrect
>>>> though.  At work we mostly order new Workstations with Cor i7 CPUs or
>>>> build them ourselves with similar specs.  None and I mean none of the
>>>> motherboards have serial ports at all.  If your computer does have a
>>>> serial port it is getting pretty old, it has an added serial card in an
>>>> expansion slot, or it is a server.
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pia
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, John G. Heim wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, perhaps its a minor point but plenty of modern computers have
>>>>> serial
>>>>> ports. I've never seen a server that didn't have a serial port. In
>>>>> fact,
>>>>> except for laptops, I have yet to see a computer that doesn't have a
>>>>> serial
>>>>> port. That includes the 200 or so desktop units we have where I
>>>>> work. Even
>>>>> the machine I built myself has a serial port.
>>>>>
>>>>> It certainly is a huge over statement to say that having speakup in
>>>>> the
>>>>> kernel  has no advantage. If you manage servers like I do, having
>>>>> speakup
>>>>> in
>>>>> the kernel is just about the most important thing there is for a
>>>>> screen
>>>>> reader. I don't really care that much about what happens after the
>>>>> machine
>>>>> is
>>>>> booted. About the only time I need a run time screen reader is if
>>>>> something
>>>>> is wrong with networking. But mostly, I can admin these machines
>>>>> remotely
>>>>> after they boot.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Astrope"
>>>>> <astrope at tabbweb.com>
>>>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>>>> <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 3:09 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Main advantages of SBL over Speakup
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Samuel, do you mean there is no kernel convention for accessing serial
>>>>> ports or there is no speakup support for accessing serial ports
>>>>> according
>>>>> to kernel conventions?
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be really great if speakup could use ttyS# devices, so
>>>>> speakup
>>>>> would work with modern motherboards that do not have built-in serial
>>>>> ports. The way I see it is speakup can only use software speech on
>>>>> modern
>>>>> computers, so unless it can access external serial ports or usb serial
>>>>> ports, there really is no advantage to speakup being in the kernel
>>>>> so far
>>>>> as I can tell...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Samuel Thibault wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Cox, le Tue 09 Feb 2010 14:23:25 -0500, a écrit :
>>>>>>> I hear that it doesn't follow kernel
>>>>>>> programming conventions, for example in how it interfaces to the COM
>>>>>>> ports.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, because no such thing exists (yet).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Samuel
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