installation of suse linux

Wed May 28 23:20:08 EDT 2008

That is ture, well let me know if ther is anything else I should be  
aware of. I will be in contact with Marco soon.
When you say you arrow and tab, you mean by speech or braille?

On May 28, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Darragh wrote:

> Hay again Cody,
>
> Yes.  SBL will work after OpenSuSE, Sles and Sled are installed.
>
> Yast in my opinion is one of the best tools out there for an admin.   
> Ok.  You have much more power over things when your using the conf  
> files directly but because you have most options available depending  
> on the package your using and the availability of a yast  
> administration module, you can get in and make changes very  
> quickly.  I know from experience that this is a great way to get  
> things up and running very quickly.  I'm taking part in the build of  
> a new Domino server at the moment and I would be lost without Yast.   
> It would simply take me too long to get around every configuration  
> file to make the simple changes. With yast, I just go down to system  
> services, tab across, go down tothe one I want and start configuring.
>
> Granted, accessibility is not great but it's constantly improving.   
> Although I think Novell have a lot to do, lets not completely  
> discredit them.  After all, their trying and this is obvious with  
> every release.
> All be it, hard to see sometimes.
>
>
> Darragh
> www.digitaldarragh.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
>> Sent: 28 May 2008 21:46
>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
>>
>> Suse is intended to be a professional desktop operating system, or so
>> I thought it was anyay. I personally would never use it, because of
>> its resemblance to MS Windows0. I am taking this course next year
>> because it is a requirement to graduate my school. Suse has a funky
>> package manager called yast, which is another reason I choose never  
>> to
>> use suse. Novell is extremely bad, and is putting it nicely, about
>> accessibility. It was a struggle going through my novell netware
>> course.
>>
>> HTH
>> Cody
>> On May 28, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote:
>>
>>> Hello!
>>> What is supported, and what features does suse blinux have these
>> days?
>>> I've not tried it for a long time.
>>> /Kristoffer
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Hurst"
>> <churst35 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup at braille.uwo.ca
>>>>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:04 AM
>>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hey Darragh,
>>>>
>>>> I understand your wanting to work and improve accessibility and
>>>> not live within your means, but right now for me and Novell, I am
>>>> not  having a very fun time, beeing as I am taking a timed course 2
>>>> days  until my netware oes exam. It looks as though I will be
>>>> renting a  braille display to run suse..my braillenote was not
>>>> detected  automatically. That is fine, whenever you get a chance to
>>>> seek more  information for me, it's greatly appreciated. I just
>>>> have had no luck  with any feedback and google hasn't been helpful
>>>> much either, but now  I will email marco to see if he can be of
>>>> some use in my findings. I  am not a programmer but I certainly
>>>> envy those who are. Math has never  been my strong point so I will
>>>> try to use what I have available to me.  If you know, will sbl work
>>>> even after suse is installed?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for all help
>>>> Cody
>>>> On May 27, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Darragh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hay Cody,
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a few questions to get to there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Firstly, Blinux in OpenSuSE is under the project SBL.  This is
>>>>> managed by Marco Scambrax.  This primarily focuses on Braille
>>>>> however he's done some good work on incorporating speech into a
>>>>> lot  of the SBL functions however getting it installed isn't the
>>>>> easiest  thing in theworld to do. Wll, not that it's difficult,
>>>>> but the  documentation is very hard to come by if it even exists
>>>>> at all! This  is certainly no reflection on Marco and the reasons
>>>>> for this were  outlined in my previous mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Speakup does not come with any of the OpenSuSE distributions or
>>>>> their variants.  However,  have written some instructions for
>>>>> getting Speakup compiled into the OpenSuSE kernel at
>> www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp
>>>>> Look for the link on that page somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have one of the supported Braille displays, SBL will work
>>>>> very nicely for you right from the start of installation however
>>>>> you'll need to a lot of searching to find out what they ar.  You
>>>>> could also search for contact details for Marco Scambrax and
>>>>> contact  him directly.  He's always very helpful.  There's is also
>>>>> an SBL  mailing list but it's very low traffic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take a look at http://lists.opensuse.org You'll find a lot of
>>>>> discussion lists there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bryen, one of the users and community members that is very active
>>>>> around the lists has been pushing accessibility a lot for version
>>>>> 11  I think his email address is suserocks at bryen.com or
>> bryen at suserocks.com
>>>>> or something like that.  Again.  A bit of googling will help you
>>>>> out there. Sorry I'm kind of vague.  Writing this before running
>>>>> out  the door to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Key presses.  Well, from memory, ....... na.  I'll have to go
>>>>> through an installation and write them out for you.  I should get
>>>>> time in a week or two if that's ok for you.
>>>>> It's reasonably straight forward though.  At the boot prompt, the
>>>>> first option is boot from hard disk, the second is start install,
>>>>> the third is start install with safe options and I cant remember
>>>>> what the rest ar. Go down one to start install, press enter then
>>>>> try using the alt and alt b buttons to move to the next and prior
>>>>> screens.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't choose a place to work based on it's accessibility instead
>>>>> I  try to bend my self or the accessibility to suit the work.
>>>>> I try to aim to want to do something then work on a way to do it
>>>>> instead of finding something to do that is possible with the
>>>>> limitations of the assistive technology I have available.
>>>>>
>>>>> Make sense?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Darragh
>>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
>>>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
>>>>>> Sent: 27 May 2008 22:16
>>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>>>>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Darragh,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm unsure what version of Suse we are going to be using, but I
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> guess suse enterprise. Does speakup/ssh still hold true for use
>>>>>> enterprise? Does speakup come precompiled into suse? If you
>>>>>> would,  and
>>>>>> i know this is a lot to answer, but can you give me a rundown of
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> I will have to do in order to start installing. I mean, boot
>>>>>> commands,
>>>>>> key presses, etc. I'm probably just going to tell my teacher I
>> will
>>>>>> need another machine to do this on. In real life, this will be on
>> a
>>>>>> real box, not vmware, which is my biggest nightmare for next  
>>>>>> year.
>>>>>> I've never really took a liking to Novell anyway because of its
>>>>>> techniques and layout. I find it extremely complex and confusing.
>>>>>> I  am
>>>>>> going to be taking a Novell OES exam on Friday and that course
>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>> pleasant to do. I do think Novell needs to use these other
>>>>>> foundations
>>>>>> and projects as mentors for accessibility but I can't make water
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> wine, so my guess is that I will not be seeing accessibility  
>>>>>> soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you perhaps give me a little insight on what in the world
>>>>>> blinux
>>>>>> is all about. Should I just give up on even trying to learn or
>>>>>> use  it?
>>>>>> I've written 2 emails to the blinux list, and have not even once
>>>>>> goten
>>>>>> a response you can google my emails and you will find that I have
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> gotten any responses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, I think my tech instructor would benefit from this
>>>>>> information, since you would know more than I have, which these
>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I may ask, why did you choose Novell as a place to be hired?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for all the help you can give, and I will be in touch
>>>>>> with  him.
>>>>>> On May 26, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Darragh wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cody,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only way you'll be able to do an independent installation of
>>>>>>> OpenSuSE, Sles or Sled is via SSH.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you get OpenSuSE installed, You'll struggle against the
>>>>>>> accessibility of YaST, the system tool and package manager and
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> in Gnome, you'll find the weirdest and most stupid bugs because
>>>>>>> although they have some great developers in ovell, they just
>> don't
>>>>>>> have the resources for Accessibility.  However, one good thing
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> have done is employe one person to work on accessibility full
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>> Marco Scambrax is his name and he's a very intelligent  
>>>>>>> developer.
>>>>>>> He's unfortunately fighting against the rest of the company so
>> his
>>>>>>> efferts do not reflect the end result.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are two versions of YaST.  The GTK+ and the NGurses
>>>>>>> versions.
>>>>>>> Speakup will work to a reasonable degree in the text based
>> version
>>>>>>> but it's not great.  Mainly because there are a lot of different
>>>>>>> controls for it to handle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the graphical version, they've really come on in leaps and
>>>>>>> bounds
>>>>>>> over the last few years thanks to the GTK+ version released in
>>>>>>> 10.3
>>>>>>> however they've a very long way to come.  The GTK+ version was
>> not
>>>>>>> tested well with accessibility so I've ofund dozens of errors in
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> that are all reported in bugzilla.  Some of these have been  
>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>> and distributed to 10.3 via online update however a lot have  
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> pushed forward to 11.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speaking of Eleven, OpenSuSE has a lot to live up to so one of
>> the
>>>>>>> first things I'll do is run it through it's paces but although
>> I'm
>>>>>>> optimistic, in reality, I know that there will still be a lot of
>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry I cant be more positive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Darragh
>>>>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
>>>>>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
>>>>>>>> Sent: 26 May 2008 19:16
>>>>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>>>>>>> Subject: installation of suse linux
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next year I am going to be using suse for a Linux course,
>> towards
>>>>>>>> the second part of the ear. I have no other way of accessing  
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> install, hwoever when a friend booted the first cd of the cd
>>>>>>>> set he
>>>>>>>> had seen some text scroll by that looked as if they were  
>>>>>>>> loading
>>>>>>>> braille modules.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have read about blinux, however the writings were old, and
>> when
>>>>>>>> trying to follow the instructions, they did not work. My only
>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>> is speakup, and a BNS. Is there a way that speakup can be
>>>>>>>> included
>>>>>>>> relatively soon so that I can do this course? This would not
>>>>>>>> be  just
>>>>>>>> for me, but anyone wishing to install a professional grade OS
>>>>>>>> in  the
>>>>>>>> field. This would greatly enhace accessibility for these
>>>>>> individuals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please write back to me on or off list, describing what I can  
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> otherwise if this is not possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cody
>>>>>>>>
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