installation of suse linux

Thu May 29 01:36:34 EDT 2008

If you follow my instructions for installing Speakup on http://www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp you'll get reasonable audio feedback when your in yast. 

Of course, the GTK+ version of Yast should improve with time so in the next version, who knows, you may actually be able to use that just as easily. 

Darragh
www.digitaldarragh.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
> Sent: 29 May 2008 01:31
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
> 
> That is ture, well let me know if ther is anything else I should be
> aware of. I will be in contact with Marco soon.
> When you say you arrow and tab, you mean by speech or braille?
> 
> On May 28, 2008, at 2:54 PM, Darragh wrote:
> 
> > Hay again Cody,
> >
> > Yes.  SBL will work after OpenSuSE, Sles and Sled are installed.
> >
> > Yast in my opinion is one of the best tools out there for an admin.
> > Ok.  You have much more power over things when your using the conf
> > files directly but because you have most options available depending
> > on the package your using and the availability of a yast
> > administration module, you can get in and make changes very
> > quickly.  I know from experience that this is a great way to get
> > things up and running very quickly.  I'm taking part in the build of
> > a new Domino server at the moment and I would be lost without Yast.
> > It would simply take me too long to get around every configuration
> > file to make the simple changes. With yast, I just go down to system
> > services, tab across, go down tothe one I want and start configuring.
> >
> > Granted, accessibility is not great but it's constantly improving.
> > Although I think Novell have a lot to do, lets not completely
> > discredit them.  After all, their trying and this is obvious with
> > every release.
> > All be it, hard to see sometimes.
> >
> >
> > Darragh
> > www.digitaldarragh.com
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
> >> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
> >> Sent: 28 May 2008 21:46
> >> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> >> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
> >>
> >> Suse is intended to be a professional desktop operating system, or
> so
> >> I thought it was anyay. I personally would never use it, because of
> >> its resemblance to MS Windows0. I am taking this course next year
> >> because it is a requirement to graduate my school. Suse has a funky
> >> package manager called yast, which is another reason I choose never
> >> to
> >> use suse. Novell is extremely bad, and is putting it nicely, about
> >> accessibility. It was a struggle going through my novell netware
> >> course.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >> Cody
> >> On May 28, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello!
> >>> What is supported, and what features does suse blinux have these
> >> days?
> >>> I've not tried it for a long time.
> >>> /Kristoffer
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Hurst"
> >> <churst35 at verizon.net>
> >>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> >> <speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >>>>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:04 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hey Darragh,
> >>>>
> >>>> I understand your wanting to work and improve accessibility and
> >>>> not live within your means, but right now for me and Novell, I am
> >>>> not  having a very fun time, beeing as I am taking a timed course
> 2
> >>>> days  until my netware oes exam. It looks as though I will be
> >>>> renting a  braille display to run suse..my braillenote was not
> >>>> detected  automatically. That is fine, whenever you get a chance
> to
> >>>> seek more  information for me, it's greatly appreciated. I just
> >>>> have had no luck  with any feedback and google hasn't been helpful
> >>>> much either, but now  I will email marco to see if he can be of
> >>>> some use in my findings. I  am not a programmer but I certainly
> >>>> envy those who are. Math has never  been my strong point so I will
> >>>> try to use what I have available to me.  If you know, will sbl
> work
> >>>> even after suse is installed?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for all help
> >>>> Cody
> >>>> On May 27, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Darragh wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hay Cody,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There's a few questions to get to there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Firstly, Blinux in OpenSuSE is under the project SBL.  This is
> >>>>> managed by Marco Scambrax.  This primarily focuses on Braille
> >>>>> however he's done some good work on incorporating speech into a
> >>>>> lot  of the SBL functions however getting it installed isn't the
> >>>>> easiest  thing in theworld to do. Wll, not that it's difficult,
> >>>>> but the  documentation is very hard to come by if it even exists
> >>>>> at all! This  is certainly no reflection on Marco and the reasons
> >>>>> for this were  outlined in my previous mail.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Speakup does not come with any of the OpenSuSE distributions or
> >>>>> their variants.  However,  have written some instructions for
> >>>>> getting Speakup compiled into the OpenSuSE kernel at
> >> www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp
> >>>>> Look for the link on that page somewhere.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you have one of the supported Braille displays, SBL will work
> >>>>> very nicely for you right from the start of installation however
> >>>>> you'll need to a lot of searching to find out what they ar.  You
> >>>>> could also search for contact details for Marco Scambrax and
> >>>>> contact  him directly.  He's always very helpful.  There's is
> also
> >>>>> an SBL  mailing list but it's very low traffic.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Take a look at http://lists.opensuse.org You'll find a lot of
> >>>>> discussion lists there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bryen, one of the users and community members that is very active
> >>>>> around the lists has been pushing accessibility a lot for version
> >>>>> 11  I think his email address is suserocks at bryen.com or
> >> bryen at suserocks.com
> >>>>> or something like that.  Again.  A bit of googling will help you
> >>>>> out there. Sorry I'm kind of vague.  Writing this before running
> >>>>> out  the door to work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Key presses.  Well, from memory, ....... na.  I'll have to go
> >>>>> through an installation and write them out for you.  I should get
> >>>>> time in a week or two if that's ok for you.
> >>>>> It's reasonably straight forward though.  At the boot prompt, the
> >>>>> first option is boot from hard disk, the second is start install,
> >>>>> the third is start install with safe options and I cant remember
> >>>>> what the rest ar. Go down one to start install, press enter then
> >>>>> try using the alt and alt b buttons to move to the next and prior
> >>>>> screens.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't choose a place to work based on it's accessibility
> instead
> >>>>> I  try to bend my self or the accessibility to suit the work.
> >>>>> I try to aim to want to do something then work on a way to do it
> >>>>> instead of finding something to do that is possible with the
> >>>>> limitations of the assistive technology I have available.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Make sense?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Darragh
> >>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
> >>>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
> >>>>>> Sent: 27 May 2008 22:16
> >>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Darragh,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm unsure what version of Suse we are going to be using, but I
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>> guess suse enterprise. Does speakup/ssh still hold true for use
> >>>>>> enterprise? Does speakup come precompiled into suse? If you
> >>>>>> would,  and
> >>>>>> i know this is a lot to answer, but can you give me a rundown of
> >>>>>> what
> >>>>>> I will have to do in order to start installing. I mean, boot
> >>>>>> commands,
> >>>>>> key presses, etc. I'm probably just going to tell my teacher I
> >> will
> >>>>>> need another machine to do this on. In real life, this will be
> on
> >> a
> >>>>>> real box, not vmware, which is my biggest nightmare for next
> >>>>>> year.
> >>>>>> I've never really took a liking to Novell anyway because of its
> >>>>>> techniques and layout. I find it extremely complex and
> confusing.
> >>>>>> I  am
> >>>>>> going to be taking a Novell OES exam on Friday and that course
> >>>>>> wasn't
> >>>>>> pleasant to do. I do think Novell needs to use these other
> >>>>>> foundations
> >>>>>> and projects as mentors for accessibility but I can't make water
> >>>>>> into
> >>>>>> wine, so my guess is that I will not be seeing accessibility
> >>>>>> soon.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can you perhaps give me a little insight on what in the world
> >>>>>> blinux
> >>>>>> is all about. Should I just give up on even trying to learn or
> >>>>>> use  it?
> >>>>>> I've written 2 emails to the blinux list, and have not even once
> >>>>>> goten
> >>>>>> a response you can google my emails and you will find that I
> have
> >>>>>> no
> >>>>>> gotten any responses.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> However, I think my tech instructor would benefit from this
> >>>>>> information, since you would know more than I have, which these
> >>>>>> issues.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If I may ask, why did you choose Novell as a place to be hired?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for all the help you can give, and I will be in touch
> >>>>>> with  him.
> >>>>>> On May 26, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Darragh wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cody,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The only way you'll be able to do an independent installation
> of
> >>>>>>> OpenSuSE, Sles or Sled is via SSH.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When you get OpenSuSE installed, You'll struggle against the
> >>>>>>> accessibility of YaST, the system tool and package manager and
> >>>>>>> even
> >>>>>>> in Gnome, you'll find the weirdest and most stupid bugs because
> >>>>>>> although they have some great developers in ovell, they just
> >> don't
> >>>>>>> have the resources for Accessibility.  However, one good thing
> >>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>> have done is employe one person to work on accessibility full
> >>>>>>> time.
> >>>>>>> Marco Scambrax is his name and he's a very intelligent
> >>>>>>> developer.
> >>>>>>> He's unfortunately fighting against the rest of the company so
> >> his
> >>>>>>> efferts do not reflect the end result.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There are two versions of YaST.  The GTK+ and the NGurses
> >>>>>>> versions.
> >>>>>>> Speakup will work to a reasonable degree in the text based
> >> version
> >>>>>>> but it's not great.  Mainly because there are a lot of
> different
> >>>>>>> controls for it to handle.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In the graphical version, they've really come on in leaps and
> >>>>>>> bounds
> >>>>>>> over the last few years thanks to the GTK+ version released in
> >>>>>>> 10.3
> >>>>>>> however they've a very long way to come.  The GTK+ version was
> >> not
> >>>>>>> tested well with accessibility so I've ofund dozens of errors
> in
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>> that are all reported in bugzilla.  Some of these have been
> >>>>>>> fixed
> >>>>>>> and distributed to 10.3 via online update however a lot have
> >>>>>>> been
> >>>>>>> pushed forward to 11.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Speaking of Eleven, OpenSuSE has a lot to live up to so one of
> >> the
> >>>>>>> first things I'll do is run it through it's paces but although
> >> I'm
> >>>>>>> optimistic, in reality, I know that there will still be a lot
> of
> >>>>>>> problems.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sorry I cant be more positive.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Darragh
> >>>>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
> >>>>>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
> >>>>>>>> Sent: 26 May 2008 19:16
> >>>>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> >>>>>>>> Subject: installation of suse linux
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello list,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Next year I am going to be using suse for a Linux course,
> >> towards
> >>>>>>>> the second part of the ear. I have no other way of accessing
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> install, hwoever when a friend booted the first cd of the cd
> >>>>>>>> set he
> >>>>>>>> had seen some text scroll by that looked as if they were
> >>>>>>>> loading
> >>>>>>>> braille modules.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have read about blinux, however the writings were old, and
> >> when
> >>>>>>>> trying to follow the instructions, they did not work. My only
> >>>>>>>> option
> >>>>>>>> is speakup, and a BNS. Is there a way that speakup can be
> >>>>>>>> included
> >>>>>>>> relatively soon so that I can do this course? This would not
> >>>>>>>> be  just
> >>>>>>>> for me, but anyone wishing to install a professional grade OS
> >>>>>>>> in  the
> >>>>>>>> field. This would greatly enhace accessibility for these
> >>>>>> individuals.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Please write back to me on or off list, describing what I can
> >>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>> otherwise if this is not possible.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cody
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> Speakup mailing list
> >>>>>>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >>>>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
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