installation of suse linux

Wed May 28 17:54:20 EDT 2008

Hay again Cody, 

Yes.  SBL will work after OpenSuSE, Sles and Sled are installed.  

Yast in my opinion is one of the best tools out there for an admin.  Ok.  You have much more power over things when your using the conf files directly but because you have most options available depending on the package your using and the availability of a yast administration module, you can get in and make changes very quickly.  I know from experience that this is a great way to get things up and running very quickly.  I'm taking part in the build of a new Domino server at the moment and I would be lost without Yast.  It would simply take me too long to get around every configuration file to make the simple changes. With yast, I just go down to system services, tab across, go down tothe one I want and start configuring. 

Granted, accessibility is not great but it's constantly improving.  Although I think Novell have a lot to do, lets not completely discredit them.  After all, their trying and this is obvious with every release.  
All be it, hard to see sometimes. 

Darragh
www.digitaldarragh.com 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
> Sent: 28 May 2008 21:46
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
> 
> Suse is intended to be a professional desktop operating system, or so
> I thought it was anyay. I personally would never use it, because of
> its resemblance to MS Windows0. I am taking this course next year
> because it is a requirement to graduate my school. Suse has a funky
> package manager called yast, which is another reason I choose never to
> use suse. Novell is extremely bad, and is putting it nicely, about
> accessibility. It was a struggle going through my novell netware
> course.
> 
> HTH
> Cody
> On May 28, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote:
> 
> > Hello!
> > What is supported, and what features does suse blinux have these
> days?
> > I've not tried it for a long time.
> > /Kristoffer
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Hurst"
> <churst35 at verizon.net>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > >
> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
> >
> >
> >> Hey Darragh,
> >>
> >>  I understand your wanting to work and improve accessibility and
> >> not live within your means, but right now for me and Novell, I am
> >> not  having a very fun time, beeing as I am taking a timed course 2
> >> days  until my netware oes exam. It looks as though I will be
> >> renting a  braille display to run suse..my braillenote was not
> >> detected  automatically. That is fine, whenever you get a chance to
> >> seek more  information for me, it's greatly appreciated. I just
> >> have had no luck  with any feedback and google hasn't been helpful
> >> much either, but now  I will email marco to see if he can be of
> >> some use in my findings. I  am not a programmer but I certainly
> >> envy those who are. Math has never  been my strong point so I will
> >> try to use what I have available to me.  If you know, will sbl work
> >> even after suse is installed?
> >>
> >> Thanks for all help
> >> Cody
> >> On May 27, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Darragh wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hay Cody,
> >>>
> >>> There's a few questions to get to there.
> >>>
> >>> Firstly, Blinux in OpenSuSE is under the project SBL.  This is
> >>> managed by Marco Scambrax.  This primarily focuses on Braille
> >>> however he's done some good work on incorporating speech into a
> >>> lot  of the SBL functions however getting it installed isn't the
> >>> easiest  thing in theworld to do. Wll, not that it's difficult,
> >>> but the  documentation is very hard to come by if it even exists
> >>> at all! This  is certainly no reflection on Marco and the reasons
> >>> for this were  outlined in my previous mail.
> >>>
> >>> Speakup does not come with any of the OpenSuSE distributions or
> >>> their variants.  However,  have written some instructions for
> >>> getting Speakup compiled into the OpenSuSE kernel at
> www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp
> >>>  Look for the link on that page somewhere.
> >>>
> >>> If you have one of the supported Braille displays, SBL will work
> >>> very nicely for you right from the start of installation however
> >>> you'll need to a lot of searching to find out what they ar.  You
> >>> could also search for contact details for Marco Scambrax and
> >>> contact  him directly.  He's always very helpful.  There's is also
> >>> an SBL  mailing list but it's very low traffic.
> >>>
> >>> Take a look at http://lists.opensuse.org You'll find a lot of
> >>> discussion lists there.
> >>>
> >>> Bryen, one of the users and community members that is very active
> >>> around the lists has been pushing accessibility a lot for version
> >>> 11  I think his email address is suserocks at bryen.com or
> bryen at suserocks.com
> >>>  or something like that.  Again.  A bit of googling will help you
> >>> out there. Sorry I'm kind of vague.  Writing this before running
> >>> out  the door to work.
> >>>
> >>> Key presses.  Well, from memory, ....... na.  I'll have to go
> >>> through an installation and write them out for you.  I should get
> >>> time in a week or two if that's ok for you.
> >>> It's reasonably straight forward though.  At the boot prompt, the
> >>> first option is boot from hard disk, the second is start install,
> >>> the third is start install with safe options and I cant remember
> >>> what the rest ar. Go down one to start install, press enter then
> >>> try using the alt and alt b buttons to move to the next and prior
> >>> screens.
> >>>
> >>> I don't choose a place to work based on it's accessibility instead
> >>> I  try to bend my self or the accessibility to suit the work.
> >>> I try to aim to want to do something then work on a way to do it
> >>> instead of finding something to do that is possible with the
> >>> limitations of the assistive technology I have available.
> >>>
> >>> Make sense?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Darragh
> >>> www.digitaldarragh.com
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
> >>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
> >>>> Sent: 27 May 2008 22:16
> >>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> >>>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
> >>>>
> >>>> Darragh,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm unsure what version of Suse we are going to be using, but I
> >>>> will
> >>>> guess suse enterprise. Does speakup/ssh still hold true for use
> >>>> enterprise? Does speakup come precompiled into suse? If you
> >>>> would,  and
> >>>> i know this is a lot to answer, but can you give me a rundown of
> >>>> what
> >>>> I will have to do in order to start installing. I mean, boot
> >>>> commands,
> >>>> key presses, etc. I'm probably just going to tell my teacher I
> will
> >>>> need another machine to do this on. In real life, this will be on
> a
> >>>> real box, not vmware, which is my biggest nightmare for next year.
> >>>> I've never really took a liking to Novell anyway because of its
> >>>> techniques and layout. I find it extremely complex and confusing.
> >>>> I  am
> >>>> going to be taking a Novell OES exam on Friday and that course
> >>>> wasn't
> >>>> pleasant to do. I do think Novell needs to use these other
> >>>> foundations
> >>>> and projects as mentors for accessibility but I can't make water
> >>>> into
> >>>> wine, so my guess is that I will not be seeing accessibility soon.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you perhaps give me a little insight on what in the world
> >>>> blinux
> >>>> is all about. Should I just give up on even trying to learn or
> >>>> use  it?
> >>>> I've written 2 emails to the blinux list, and have not even once
> >>>> goten
> >>>> a response you can google my emails and you will find that I have
> >>>> no
> >>>> gotten any responses.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, I think my tech instructor would benefit from this
> >>>> information, since you would know more than I have, which these
> >>>> issues.
> >>>>
> >>>> If I may ask, why did you choose Novell as a place to be hired?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for all the help you can give, and I will be in touch
> >>>> with  him.
> >>>> On May 26, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Darragh wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Cody,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The only way you'll be able to do an independent installation of
> >>>>> OpenSuSE, Sles or Sled is via SSH.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When you get OpenSuSE installed, You'll struggle against the
> >>>>> accessibility of YaST, the system tool and package manager and
> >>>>> even
> >>>>> in Gnome, you'll find the weirdest and most stupid bugs because
> >>>>> although they have some great developers in ovell, they just
> don't
> >>>>> have the resources for Accessibility.  However, one good thing
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> have done is employe one person to work on accessibility full
> >>>>> time.
> >>>>> Marco Scambrax is his name and he's a very intelligent developer.
> >>>>> He's unfortunately fighting against the rest of the company so
> his
> >>>>> efferts do not reflect the end result.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are two versions of YaST.  The GTK+ and the NGurses
> >>>>> versions.
> >>>>> Speakup will work to a reasonable degree in the text based
> version
> >>>>> but it's not great.  Mainly because there are a lot of different
> >>>>> controls for it to handle.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the graphical version, they've really come on in leaps and
> >>>>> bounds
> >>>>> over the last few years thanks to the GTK+ version released in
> >>>>> 10.3
> >>>>> however they've a very long way to come.  The GTK+ version was
> not
> >>>>> tested well with accessibility so I've ofund dozens of errors in
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> that are all reported in bugzilla.  Some of these have been fixed
> >>>>> and distributed to 10.3 via online update however a lot have been
> >>>>> pushed forward to 11.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Speaking of Eleven, OpenSuSE has a lot to live up to so one of
> the
> >>>>> first things I'll do is run it through it's paces but although
> I'm
> >>>>> optimistic, in reality, I know that there will still be a lot of
> >>>>> problems.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry I cant be more positive.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Darragh
> >>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
> >>>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
> >>>>>> Sent: 26 May 2008 19:16
> >>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> >>>>>> Subject: installation of suse linux
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello list,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Next year I am going to be using suse for a Linux course,
> towards
> >>>>>> the second part of the ear. I have no other way of accessing the
> >>>>>> install, hwoever when a friend booted the first cd of the cd
> >>>>>> set he
> >>>>>> had seen some text scroll by that looked as if they were loading
> >>>>>> braille modules.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have read about blinux, however the writings were old, and
> when
> >>>>>> trying to follow the instructions, they did not work. My only
> >>>>>> option
> >>>>>> is speakup, and a BNS. Is there a way that speakup can be
> >>>>>> included
> >>>>>> relatively soon so that I can do this course? This would not
> >>>>>> be  just
> >>>>>> for me, but anyone wishing to install a professional grade OS
> >>>>>> in  the
> >>>>>> field. This would greatly enhace accessibility for these
> >>>> individuals.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please write back to me on or off list, describing what I can do
> >>>>>> otherwise if this is not possible.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cody
> >>>>>>
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