installation of suse linux
Kristoffer Gustafsson
kg84 at dreamwld.com
Wed May 28 16:37:42 EDT 2008
Hello!
When I used suse linux, yast and yast2 worked well with suse blinux, but
when I tried it with brltty. no, not good at all.
I've got an old computer still with suse linux 7.2 installed, but can't use
it, I've lost that braille display I used with it.
Now these days I prefer debian, I don't want to go back to suse again, I
think.
/Kristoffer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cody Hurst" <churst35 at verizon.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
> Suse is intended to be a professional desktop operating system, or so I
> thought it was anyay. I personally would never use it, because of its
> resemblance to MS Windows0. I am taking this course next year because it
> is a requirement to graduate my school. Suse has a funky package manager
> called yast, which is another reason I choose never to use suse. Novell
> is extremely bad, and is putting it nicely, about accessibility. It was a
> struggle going through my novell netware course.
>
> HTH
> Cody
> On May 28, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>> What is supported, and what features does suse blinux have these days?
>> I've not tried it for a long time.
>> /Kristoffer
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Hurst" <churst35 at verizon.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup at braille.uwo.ca
>> >
>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
>>
>>
>>> Hey Darragh,
>>>
>>> I understand your wanting to work and improve accessibility and not
>>> live within your means, but right now for me and Novell, I am not
>>> having a very fun time, beeing as I am taking a timed course 2 days
>>> until my netware oes exam. It looks as though I will be renting a
>>> braille display to run suse..my braillenote was not detected
>>> automatically. That is fine, whenever you get a chance to seek more
>>> information for me, it's greatly appreciated. I just have had no luck
>>> with any feedback and google hasn't been helpful much either, but now
>>> I will email marco to see if he can be of some use in my findings. I
>>> am not a programmer but I certainly envy those who are. Math has never
>>> been my strong point so I will try to use what I have available to me.
>>> If you know, will sbl work even after suse is installed?
>>>
>>> Thanks for all help
>>> Cody
>>> On May 27, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Darragh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hay Cody,
>>>>
>>>> There's a few questions to get to there.
>>>>
>>>> Firstly, Blinux in OpenSuSE is under the project SBL. This is
>>>> managed by Marco Scambrax. This primarily focuses on Braille however
>>>> he's done some good work on incorporating speech into a lot of the
>>>> SBL functions however getting it installed isn't the easiest thing in
>>>> theworld to do. Wll, not that it's difficult, but the documentation
>>>> is very hard to come by if it even exists at all! This is certainly
>>>> no reflection on Marco and the reasons for this were outlined in my
>>>> previous mail.
>>>>
>>>> Speakup does not come with any of the OpenSuSE distributions or their
>>>> variants. However, have written some instructions for getting
>>>> Speakup compiled into the OpenSuSE kernel at
>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp Look for the link on that page
>>>> somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> If you have one of the supported Braille displays, SBL will work very
>>>> nicely for you right from the start of installation however you'll
>>>> need to a lot of searching to find out what they ar. You could also
>>>> search for contact details for Marco Scambrax and contact him
>>>> directly. He's always very helpful. There's is also an SBL mailing
>>>> list but it's very low traffic.
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at http://lists.opensuse.org You'll find a lot of
>>>> discussion lists there.
>>>>
>>>> Bryen, one of the users and community members that is very active
>>>> around the lists has been pushing accessibility a lot for version 11
>>>> I think his email address is suserocks at bryen.com or bryen at suserocks.com
>>>> or something like that. Again. A bit of googling will help you out
>>>> there. Sorry I'm kind of vague. Writing this before running out the
>>>> door to work.
>>>>
>>>> Key presses. Well, from memory, ....... na. I'll have to go through
>>>> an installation and write them out for you. I should get time in a
>>>> week or two if that's ok for you.
>>>> It's reasonably straight forward though. At the boot prompt, the
>>>> first option is boot from hard disk, the second is start install, the
>>>> third is start install with safe options and I cant remember what the
>>>> rest ar. Go down one to start install, press enter then try using the
>>>> alt and alt b buttons to move to the next and prior screens.
>>>>
>>>> I don't choose a place to work based on it's accessibility instead I
>>>> try to bend my self or the accessibility to suit the work.
>>>> I try to aim to want to do something then work on a way to do it
>>>> instead of finding something to do that is possible with the
>>>> limitations of the assistive technology I have available.
>>>>
>>>> Make sense?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Darragh
>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
>>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
>>>>> Sent: 27 May 2008 22:16
>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>>>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
>>>>>
>>>>> Darragh,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm unsure what version of Suse we are going to be using, but I will
>>>>> guess suse enterprise. Does speakup/ssh still hold true for use
>>>>> enterprise? Does speakup come precompiled into suse? If you would,
>>>>> and
>>>>> i know this is a lot to answer, but can you give me a rundown of what
>>>>> I will have to do in order to start installing. I mean, boot
>>>>> commands,
>>>>> key presses, etc. I'm probably just going to tell my teacher I will
>>>>> need another machine to do this on. In real life, this will be on a
>>>>> real box, not vmware, which is my biggest nightmare for next year.
>>>>> I've never really took a liking to Novell anyway because of its
>>>>> techniques and layout. I find it extremely complex and confusing. I
>>>>> am
>>>>> going to be taking a Novell OES exam on Friday and that course wasn't
>>>>> pleasant to do. I do think Novell needs to use these other
>>>>> foundations
>>>>> and projects as mentors for accessibility but I can't make water into
>>>>> wine, so my guess is that I will not be seeing accessibility soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you perhaps give me a little insight on what in the world blinux
>>>>> is all about. Should I just give up on even trying to learn or use
>>>>> it?
>>>>> I've written 2 emails to the blinux list, and have not even once
>>>>> goten
>>>>> a response you can google my emails and you will find that I have no
>>>>> gotten any responses.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I think my tech instructor would benefit from this
>>>>> information, since you would know more than I have, which these
>>>>> issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I may ask, why did you choose Novell as a place to be hired?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for all the help you can give, and I will be in touch with
>>>>> him.
>>>>> On May 26, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Darragh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cody,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only way you'll be able to do an independent installation of
>>>>>> OpenSuSE, Sles or Sled is via SSH.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you get OpenSuSE installed, You'll struggle against the
>>>>>> accessibility of YaST, the system tool and package manager and even
>>>>>> in Gnome, you'll find the weirdest and most stupid bugs because
>>>>>> although they have some great developers in ovell, they just don't
>>>>>> have the resources for Accessibility. However, one good thing they
>>>>>> have done is employe one person to work on accessibility full time.
>>>>>> Marco Scambrax is his name and he's a very intelligent developer.
>>>>>> He's unfortunately fighting against the rest of the company so his
>>>>>> efferts do not reflect the end result.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are two versions of YaST. The GTK+ and the NGurses versions.
>>>>>> Speakup will work to a reasonable degree in the text based version
>>>>>> but it's not great. Mainly because there are a lot of different
>>>>>> controls for it to handle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the graphical version, they've really come on in leaps and bounds
>>>>>> over the last few years thanks to the GTK+ version released in 10.3
>>>>>> however they've a very long way to come. The GTK+ version was not
>>>>>> tested well with accessibility so I've ofund dozens of errors in it
>>>>>> that are all reported in bugzilla. Some of these have been fixed
>>>>>> and distributed to 10.3 via online update however a lot have been
>>>>>> pushed forward to 11.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking of Eleven, OpenSuSE has a lot to live up to so one of the
>>>>>> first things I'll do is run it through it's paces but although I'm
>>>>>> optimistic, in reality, I know that there will still be a lot of
>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry I cant be more positive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Darragh
>>>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
>>>>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
>>>>>>> Sent: 26 May 2008 19:16
>>>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>>>>>> Subject: installation of suse linux
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next year I am going to be using suse for a Linux course, towards
>>>>>>> the second part of the ear. I have no other way of accessing the
>>>>>>> install, hwoever when a friend booted the first cd of the cd set he
>>>>>>> had seen some text scroll by that looked as if they were loading
>>>>>>> braille modules.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have read about blinux, however the writings were old, and when
>>>>>>> trying to follow the instructions, they did not work. My only
>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>> is speakup, and a BNS. Is there a way that speakup can be included
>>>>>>> relatively soon so that I can do this course? This would not be
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> for me, but anyone wishing to install a professional grade OS in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> field. This would greatly enhace accessibility for these
>>>>> individuals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please write back to me on or off list, describing what I can do
>>>>>>> otherwise if this is not possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cody
>>>>>>>
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