installation of suse linux

Cody Hurst churst35 at verizon.net
Wed May 28 19:35:32 EDT 2008


Suse is intended to be a professional desktop operating system, or so  
I thought it was anyay. I personally would never use it, because of  
its resemblance to MS Windows0. I am taking this course next year  
because it is a requirement to graduate my school. Suse has a funky  
package manager called yast, which is another reason I choose never to  
use suse. Novell is extremely bad, and is putting it nicely, about  
accessibility. It was a struggle going through my novell netware course.

HTH
Cody
On May 28, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote:

> Hello!
> What is supported, and what features does suse blinux have these days?
> I've not tried it for a long time.
> /Kristoffer
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Hurst" <churst35 at verizon.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca 
> >
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:04 AM
> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
>
>
>> Hey Darragh,
>>
>>  I understand your wanting to work and improve accessibility and  
>> not live within your means, but right now for me and Novell, I am  
>> not  having a very fun time, beeing as I am taking a timed course 2  
>> days  until my netware oes exam. It looks as though I will be  
>> renting a  braille display to run suse..my braillenote was not  
>> detected  automatically. That is fine, whenever you get a chance to  
>> seek more  information for me, it's greatly appreciated. I just  
>> have had no luck  with any feedback and google hasn't been helpful  
>> much either, but now  I will email marco to see if he can be of  
>> some use in my findings. I  am not a programmer but I certainly  
>> envy those who are. Math has never  been my strong point so I will  
>> try to use what I have available to me.  If you know, will sbl work  
>> even after suse is installed?
>>
>> Thanks for all help
>> Cody
>> On May 27, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Darragh wrote:
>>
>>> Hay Cody,
>>>
>>> There's a few questions to get to there.
>>>
>>> Firstly, Blinux in OpenSuSE is under the project SBL.  This is   
>>> managed by Marco Scambrax.  This primarily focuses on Braille   
>>> however he's done some good work on incorporating speech into a  
>>> lot  of the SBL functions however getting it installed isn't the  
>>> easiest  thing in theworld to do. Wll, not that it's difficult,  
>>> but the  documentation is very hard to come by if it even exists  
>>> at all! This  is certainly no reflection on Marco and the reasons  
>>> for this were  outlined in my previous mail.
>>>
>>> Speakup does not come with any of the OpenSuSE distributions or   
>>> their variants.  However,  have written some instructions for   
>>> getting Speakup compiled into the OpenSuSE kernel at www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp 
>>>  Look for the link on that page somewhere.
>>>
>>> If you have one of the supported Braille displays, SBL will work   
>>> very nicely for you right from the start of installation however   
>>> you'll need to a lot of searching to find out what they ar.  You   
>>> could also search for contact details for Marco Scambrax and  
>>> contact  him directly.  He's always very helpful.  There's is also  
>>> an SBL  mailing list but it's very low traffic.
>>>
>>> Take a look at http://lists.opensuse.org You'll find a lot of   
>>> discussion lists there.
>>>
>>> Bryen, one of the users and community members that is very active   
>>> around the lists has been pushing accessibility a lot for version   
>>> 11  I think his email address is suserocks at bryen.com or bryen at suserocks.com 
>>>  or something like that.  Again.  A bit of googling will help you   
>>> out there. Sorry I'm kind of vague.  Writing this before running  
>>> out  the door to work.
>>>
>>> Key presses.  Well, from memory, ....... na.  I'll have to go   
>>> through an installation and write them out for you.  I should get   
>>> time in a week or two if that's ok for you.
>>> It's reasonably straight forward though.  At the boot prompt, the   
>>> first option is boot from hard disk, the second is start install,   
>>> the third is start install with safe options and I cant remember   
>>> what the rest ar. Go down one to start install, press enter then   
>>> try using the alt and alt b buttons to move to the next and prior   
>>> screens.
>>>
>>> I don't choose a place to work based on it's accessibility instead  
>>> I  try to bend my self or the accessibility to suit the work.
>>> I try to aim to want to do something then work on a way to do it   
>>> instead of finding something to do that is possible with the    
>>> limitations of the assistive technology I have available.
>>>
>>> Make sense?
>>>
>>>
>>> Darragh
>>> www.digitaldarragh.com
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
>>>> Sent: 27 May 2008 22:16
>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
>>>>
>>>> Darragh,
>>>>
>>>> I'm unsure what version of Suse we are going to be using, but I  
>>>> will
>>>> guess suse enterprise. Does speakup/ssh still hold true for use
>>>> enterprise? Does speakup come precompiled into suse? If you  
>>>> would,  and
>>>> i know this is a lot to answer, but can you give me a rundown of  
>>>> what
>>>> I will have to do in order to start installing. I mean, boot   
>>>> commands,
>>>> key presses, etc. I'm probably just going to tell my teacher I will
>>>> need another machine to do this on. In real life, this will be on a
>>>> real box, not vmware, which is my biggest nightmare for next year.
>>>> I've never really took a liking to Novell anyway because of its
>>>> techniques and layout. I find it extremely complex and confusing.  
>>>> I  am
>>>> going to be taking a Novell OES exam on Friday and that course  
>>>> wasn't
>>>> pleasant to do. I do think Novell needs to use these other   
>>>> foundations
>>>> and projects as mentors for accessibility but I can't make water  
>>>> into
>>>> wine, so my guess is that I will not be seeing accessibility soon.
>>>>
>>>> Can you perhaps give me a little insight on what in the world  
>>>> blinux
>>>> is all about. Should I just give up on even trying to learn or  
>>>> use  it?
>>>> I've written 2 emails to the blinux list, and have not even once   
>>>> goten
>>>> a response you can google my emails and you will find that I have  
>>>> no
>>>> gotten any responses.
>>>>
>>>> However, I think my tech instructor would benefit from this
>>>> information, since you would know more than I have, which these   
>>>> issues.
>>>>
>>>> If I may ask, why did you choose Novell as a place to be hired?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for all the help you can give, and I will be in touch  
>>>> with  him.
>>>> On May 26, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Darragh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cody,
>>>>>
>>>>> The only way you'll be able to do an independent installation of
>>>>> OpenSuSE, Sles or Sled is via SSH.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you get OpenSuSE installed, You'll struggle against the
>>>>> accessibility of YaST, the system tool and package manager and  
>>>>> even
>>>>> in Gnome, you'll find the weirdest and most stupid bugs because
>>>>> although they have some great developers in ovell, they just don't
>>>>> have the resources for Accessibility.  However, one good thing  
>>>>> they
>>>>> have done is employe one person to work on accessibility full  
>>>>> time.
>>>>> Marco Scambrax is his name and he's a very intelligent developer.
>>>>> He's unfortunately fighting against the rest of the company so his
>>>>> efferts do not reflect the end result.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are two versions of YaST.  The GTK+ and the NGurses  
>>>>> versions.
>>>>> Speakup will work to a reasonable degree in the text based version
>>>>> but it's not great.  Mainly because there are a lot of different
>>>>> controls for it to handle.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the graphical version, they've really come on in leaps and  
>>>>> bounds
>>>>> over the last few years thanks to the GTK+ version released in  
>>>>> 10.3
>>>>> however they've a very long way to come.  The GTK+ version was not
>>>>> tested well with accessibility so I've ofund dozens of errors in  
>>>>> it
>>>>> that are all reported in bugzilla.  Some of these have been fixed
>>>>> and distributed to 10.3 via online update however a lot have been
>>>>> pushed forward to 11.
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking of Eleven, OpenSuSE has a lot to live up to so one of the
>>>>> first things I'll do is run it through it's paces but although I'm
>>>>> optimistic, in reality, I know that there will still be a lot of
>>>>> problems.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry I cant be more positive.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Darragh
>>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
>>>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
>>>>>> Sent: 26 May 2008 19:16
>>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>>>>> Subject: installation of suse linux
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next year I am going to be using suse for a Linux course, towards
>>>>>> the second part of the ear. I have no other way of accessing the
>>>>>> install, hwoever when a friend booted the first cd of the cd  
>>>>>> set he
>>>>>> had seen some text scroll by that looked as if they were loading
>>>>>> braille modules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have read about blinux, however the writings were old, and when
>>>>>> trying to follow the instructions, they did not work. My only   
>>>>>> option
>>>>>> is speakup, and a BNS. Is there a way that speakup can be  
>>>>>> included
>>>>>> relatively soon so that I can do this course? This would not  
>>>>>> be  just
>>>>>> for me, but anyone wishing to install a professional grade OS  
>>>>>> in  the
>>>>>> field. This would greatly enhace accessibility for these
>>>> individuals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please write back to me on or off list, describing what I can do
>>>>>> otherwise if this is not possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cody
>>>>>>
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