installation of suse linux

Wed May 28 16:06:11 EDT 2008

Hello!
What is supported, and what features does suse blinux have these days?
I've not tried it for a long time.
/Kristoffer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cody Hurst" <churst35 at verizon.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: installation of suse linux


> Hey Darragh,
>
>   I understand your wanting to work and improve accessibility and not 
> live within your means, but right now for me and Novell, I am not  having 
> a very fun time, beeing as I am taking a timed course 2 days  until my 
> netware oes exam. It looks as though I will be renting a  braille display 
> to run suse..my braillenote was not detected  automatically. That is fine, 
> whenever you get a chance to seek more  information for me, it's greatly 
> appreciated. I just have had no luck  with any feedback and google hasn't 
> been helpful much either, but now  I will email marco to see if he can be 
> of some use in my findings. I  am not a programmer but I certainly envy 
> those who are. Math has never  been my strong point so I will try to use 
> what I have available to me.  If you know, will sbl work even after suse 
> is installed?
>
> Thanks for all help
> Cody
> On May 27, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Darragh wrote:
>
>> Hay Cody,
>>
>> There's a few questions to get to there.
>>
>> Firstly, Blinux in OpenSuSE is under the project SBL.  This is  managed 
>> by Marco Scambrax.  This primarily focuses on Braille  however he's done 
>> some good work on incorporating speech into a lot  of the SBL functions 
>> however getting it installed isn't the easiest  thing in theworld to do. 
>> Wll, not that it's difficult, but the  documentation is very hard to come 
>> by if it even exists at all! This  is certainly no reflection on Marco 
>> and the reasons for this were  outlined in my previous mail.
>>
>> Speakup does not come with any of the OpenSuSE distributions or  their 
>> variants.  However,  have written some instructions for  getting Speakup 
>> compiled into the OpenSuSE kernel at www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp 
>> Look for the link on that page somewhere.
>>
>> If you have one of the supported Braille displays, SBL will work  very 
>> nicely for you right from the start of installation however  you'll need 
>> to a lot of searching to find out what they ar.  You  could also search 
>> for contact details for Marco Scambrax and contact  him directly.  He's 
>> always very helpful.  There's is also an SBL  mailing list but it's very 
>> low traffic.
>>
>> Take a look at http://lists.opensuse.org You'll find a lot of  discussion 
>> lists there.
>>
>> Bryen, one of the users and community members that is very active  around 
>> the lists has been pushing accessibility a lot for version  11  I think 
>> his email address is suserocks at bryen.com or bryen at suserocks.com or 
>> something like that.  Again.  A bit of googling will help you  out there. 
>> Sorry I'm kind of vague.  Writing this before running out  the door to 
>> work.
>>
>> Key presses.  Well, from memory, ....... na.  I'll have to go  through an 
>> installation and write them out for you.  I should get  time in a week or 
>> two if that's ok for you.
>> It's reasonably straight forward though.  At the boot prompt, the  first 
>> option is boot from hard disk, the second is start install,  the third is 
>> start install with safe options and I cant remember  what the rest ar. 
>> Go down one to start install, press enter then  try using the alt and alt 
>> b buttons to move to the next and prior  screens.
>>
>> I don't choose a place to work based on it's accessibility instead I  try 
>> to bend my self or the accessibility to suit the work.
>> I try to aim to want to do something then work on a way to do it  instead 
>> of finding something to do that is possible with the   limitations of the 
>> assistive technology I have available.
>>
>> Make sense?
>>
>>
>> Darragh
>> www.digitaldarragh.com
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
>>> Sent: 27 May 2008 22:16
>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
>>>
>>> Darragh,
>>>
>>> I'm unsure what version of Suse we are going to be using, but I will
>>> guess suse enterprise. Does speakup/ssh still hold true for use
>>> enterprise? Does speakup come precompiled into suse? If you would,  and
>>> i know this is a lot to answer, but can you give me a rundown of what
>>> I will have to do in order to start installing. I mean, boot  commands,
>>> key presses, etc. I'm probably just going to tell my teacher I will
>>> need another machine to do this on. In real life, this will be on a
>>> real box, not vmware, which is my biggest nightmare for next year.
>>> I've never really took a liking to Novell anyway because of its
>>> techniques and layout. I find it extremely complex and confusing. I  am
>>> going to be taking a Novell OES exam on Friday and that course wasn't
>>> pleasant to do. I do think Novell needs to use these other  foundations
>>> and projects as mentors for accessibility but I can't make water into
>>> wine, so my guess is that I will not be seeing accessibility soon.
>>>
>>> Can you perhaps give me a little insight on what in the world blinux
>>> is all about. Should I just give up on even trying to learn or use  it?
>>> I've written 2 emails to the blinux list, and have not even once  goten
>>> a response you can google my emails and you will find that I have no
>>> gotten any responses.
>>>
>>> However, I think my tech instructor would benefit from this
>>> information, since you would know more than I have, which these  issues.
>>>
>>> If I may ask, why did you choose Novell as a place to be hired?
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the help you can give, and I will be in touch with  him.
>>> On May 26, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Darragh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cody,
>>>>
>>>> The only way you'll be able to do an independent installation of
>>>> OpenSuSE, Sles or Sled is via SSH.
>>>>
>>>> When you get OpenSuSE installed, You'll struggle against the
>>>> accessibility of YaST, the system tool and package manager and even
>>>> in Gnome, you'll find the weirdest and most stupid bugs because
>>>> although they have some great developers in ovell, they just don't
>>>> have the resources for Accessibility.  However, one good thing they
>>>> have done is employe one person to work on accessibility full time.
>>>> Marco Scambrax is his name and he's a very intelligent developer.
>>>> He's unfortunately fighting against the rest of the company so his
>>>> efferts do not reflect the end result.
>>>>
>>>> There are two versions of YaST.  The GTK+ and the NGurses versions.
>>>> Speakup will work to a reasonable degree in the text based version
>>>> but it's not great.  Mainly because there are a lot of different
>>>> controls for it to handle.
>>>>
>>>> In the graphical version, they've really come on in leaps and bounds
>>>> over the last few years thanks to the GTK+ version released in 10.3
>>>> however they've a very long way to come.  The GTK+ version was not
>>>> tested well with accessibility so I've ofund dozens of errors in it
>>>> that are all reported in bugzilla.  Some of these have been fixed
>>>> and distributed to 10.3 via online update however a lot have been
>>>> pushed forward to 11.
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of Eleven, OpenSuSE has a lot to live up to so one of the
>>>> first things I'll do is run it through it's paces but although I'm
>>>> optimistic, in reality, I know that there will still be a lot of
>>>> problems.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry I cant be more positive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Darragh
>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
>>>>> bounces at braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
>>>>> Sent: 26 May 2008 19:16
>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>>>> Subject: installation of suse linux
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>>
>>>>>  Next year I am going to be using suse for a Linux course, towards
>>>>> the second part of the ear. I have no other way of accessing the
>>>>> install, hwoever when a friend booted the first cd of the cd set he
>>>>> had seen some text scroll by that looked as if they were loading
>>>>> braille modules.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I have read about blinux, however the writings were old, and when
>>>>> trying to follow the instructions, they did not work. My only  option
>>>>> is speakup, and a BNS. Is there a way that speakup can be included
>>>>> relatively soon so that I can do this course? This would not be  just
>>>>> for me, but anyone wishing to install a professional grade OS in  the
>>>>> field. This would greatly enhace accessibility for these
>>> individuals.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Please write back to me on or off list, describing what I can do
>>>>> otherwise if this is not possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cody
>>>>>
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