using Less commands

[Ed Thurston]

Hello Steve,

I have spent some  more time with the  sc man files this afternoon and
noticed that if  one  uses the switch -n when loading sc also places one in
numeric mode.   I had missed that on earlier readings of the man files. 

Are you  using emacs speak  while using  sc? If so are you getting
multiple headers read to you?  With  Speakup as I right arrow across the
spreadsheet, I hear such as a b c b c d and d e f rather   than just the
single  column headder letter.  If I concentrate I can tell where I am, but
would hate to  have to  work on a cluttered spreadsheet with  all the
extra feed backs.  Of course using the Speak up cursor I can double  check
entries to assure accuracy, but that would be a bit  time consuming.  I
enjoy working with  spreadsheets so will be spending  much more time
working with sc

Thanks for your feed back.

Ed,

At 01:05 PM 1/28/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Well, I'm probably not the best one to respond here as I am somewhat
>of a geek and don't mind digging around a bit or maybe a lot to figure
>things out.  Yes, the "run of the mill" office style applications are
>probably confined to the X Windows environment and I would think that
>seriously today a sighted person using X Windows could slide right in
>and get down with a linux environment if they would only give it a
>chance.  For us blind folks, its still another matter.  X Windows
>accessibility is still in the early primative stages and not really
>ready for prime time.  So in the mean time, we stick with character
>based applications where we need to learn those funky commands like in
>emacs and vi.  I should say though, sc, the spreadsheet app, has been
>fairly easy for me to use.  Please look over the online help; you can
>get at it with the question mark (?) key.  IE: type the = key before
>any numeric entry and put a '<' before left justified text, '>' before
>any right justified text and I forget the character for centered
>text.  Again, the help screen told me this.  The man page lists all
>the possible formulas available.  I use sc on a regular basis to
>manage a budget as I blow through my paychecks:).  It even maintains
>automatic totals like all good spreadsheet programs do.
>
>So I would say some utils like mutt, pine, lynx and even sc are (I
>feel) easy enough to learn with little effort.  Emacs is an extremely
>powerful editor but therefore requires a steep learning curve.  I'm
>learning it and am playing around with Emacspeak as we speak and I see
>a lot of potential there.  I've heard others say and now I agree, a
>combination of Speakup for the strait console and Emacspeak for
>various emacs applications really puts you in the driver's seat and I
>would say, probably more efficient than working in windows with their
>advanced screen readers that sell for around a thousand dollars!  I
>think another herdle for starting up in linux is the setup phase.
>Getting thing setup just the way you want is probably a lot harder
>than many windows apps but once in place, it is stable and will run
>forever without breaking!
>
>On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 11:38:06AM -0500, Ed Thurston wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> hello Alex,
>> 
>> When I first tried using  Linux several years ago, I tried to learn  emac
>> with emac speake and was  completely lost and gave up the whole  process.
>> 
>> I am making a second stab at  it with Speakup running slackware.  My
>> purpose is use  Linux  as a end user. I. e, To have someone set up Linux
>> and then I will use  applications on it.  
>> 
>> I am doing quite well with mutt using  joe as its editor and lynx, but Joe
>> is just that, an editor and not a  word processor.
>> 
>> If Linux is to take a real bite out of Microsoft, it will have to be user
>> friendly.  The operating system is great now, but the applications are not
>> ready for  universal use.  For example if an employer wanted to hire a
>> secretary, he might be prepared to train her in using a user friendly word
>> processor, something equivalent to wp51 but not Emac with its hundreds of
>> command line commands. Also a user  friendly  spreadsheet such as Lotus for
>> dos should be  developed.  I have ttried to use SC as my spreadsheet and so
>> far have gotten nowhere with it.  I have yet to figure out how to even key
>> in numerric values, much less set up a complete  spreadsheet.  
>> 
>> I do hope that there are some  programmers out there busily  keying  many
>> lines of code developing such  types of applications, so as to make  Linux
>> a real contender in the home as well as in the market place environment.   
>> 
>> 
>> Do you feel that such  programs are in the works?
>> 
>> Thanks for listening to my ramblings,
>
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