interesting experiment.

[Gregory Nowak]

What exactly are you talking about? Is it the entire tree view of hardware under the device manager tab of the system option of the control pannel? If so, then that'ts perfectly accessible since window-eyes 2.1 (or at least, that's the version I started with), and I've originally used windows 95 with that version too.
Greg


On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 05:36:32PM +0100, Toby Fisher wrote:
> On Thu, 23 May 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Toby:
> >
> > I was never able to make hide nor hair of exactly that file. My
> > last heavy use of Win was exactly Win 98, though it was certainly
> > before JFW 3.5.
> >
> > I don't know that we're exactly OK in saying "it's accessible" if
> > it's dependent on a particular proprietary assistive technology.
> > That doesn't define "accessible" in my book.
> 
> I don't think JFW is alone in this respect, in fact I'm sure it's not.
> It's just a simple tree view, you know, like you can get on Explorer, but
> which you shouldn't use if you don't have a loppy in the drive when you
> scroll past it.  But I'd be surprised if there are screen readers for
> Windows out theer that can't access it.
> 
> > Could you post an example of its output on this list that's
> > readable? Or is that a hack? If it's a hack, then it's not
> > accessible from that measure as well.
> 
> Hmmm, I will try, but I don't think I'd be able to do it, because I can't
> easily copy stuff from it to the clip board I don't think.  Unless, of
> course, someone knows how to edit a screen dump in Windows.  I'm sorry,
> though, I do disagree with you about the accessibility of this, if, as I
> suspect, all screen readers can access it, and no, my access to it is not
> a hack.  If I'm honest, 	I do sometimes get a bit frustrated with
> people who say that so and so is not accessible, when in fact all it may
> require is a little patience.  Ok, it's not *totally* accessible, but to
> say that things are *totally* inaccessible if you can't access them with
> your first attempt is also ludicrous, and I think is perhaps part of the
> reason that there is resistance to making some things accessible, the view
> exists in some quarters that we expect everything on a plate and are not
> willing to expend any effort.  This is, of course, not true and such an
> attitude is no excuse, but imho, there it is.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
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