interesting experiment.

[Thomas Stivers]

You can simply choose print in the dialog box. Then have it print out to a
file. It worked for me. This list is sounding disturbingly like jfwlist
and that ilk... Oh well, gotta delete some more.

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Thomas Stivers
stivers_t at mail.utexas.edu

On Thu, 23 May 2002, Toby Fisher wrote:

>
> > Toby:
> >
> > I was never able to make hide nor hair of exactly that file. My
> > last heavy use of Win was exactly Win 98, though it was certainly
> > before JFW 3.5.
> >
> > I don't know that we're exactly OK in saying "it's accessible" if
> > it's dependent on a particular proprietary assistive technology.
> > That doesn't define "accessible" in my book.
>
> I don't think JFW is alone in this respect, in fact I'm sure it's not.
> It's just a simple tree view, you know, like you can get on Explorer, but
> which you shouldn't use if you don't have a loppy in the drive when you
> scroll past it.  But I'd be surprised if there are screen readers for
> Windows out theer that can't access it.
>
> > Could you post an example of its output on this list that's
> > readable? Or is that a hack? If it's a hack, then it's not
> > accessible from that measure as well.
>
> Hmmm, I will try, but I don't think I'd be able to do it, because I can't
> easily copy stuff from it to the clip board I don't think.  Unless, of
> course, someone knows how to edit a screen dump in Windows.  I'm sorry,
> though, I do disagree with you about the accessibility of this, if, as I
> suspect, all screen readers can access it, and no, my access to it is not
> a hack.  If I'm honest, 	I do sometimes get a bit frustrated with
> people who say that so and so is not accessible, when in fact all it may
> require is a little patience.  Ok, it's not *totally* accessible, but to
> say that things are *totally* inaccessible if you can't access them with
> your first attempt is also ludicrous, and I think is perhaps part of the
> reason that there is resistance to making some things accessible, the view
> exists in some quarters that we expect everything on a plate and are not
> willing to expend any effort.  This is, of course, not true and such an
> attitude is no excuse, but imho, there it is.
>
> Cheers.
>
>