possible sollution

Sun May 19 00:37:17 EDT 2002

Hi,
I've left your post intact.  Just a couple comments about it.  Prior to
windows xp m.s. did not have a product which would provide speech while it
was installing.  Slackware has an out-of-the-box speech enabled install and
has for a while.  There are list members here whom donate their time doing
the same for redhat.  Apparently that goes back a ways given the number of
releases held on the speakup ftp site.  I can't speak for other list
members, but I try to answer all questions that I can (my knowledge base is
also limited).  In at least one instance I have pointed a user to a "howto",
but that is because of my ignorance on the subject matter and I would prefer
to give accurate information as opposed to being overly helpfull and
exceeding my knowledge base.  Wrong answers do more damage than harm (at
least in my opinion).  Don't get me wrong, i'm not perfect nor is my record.
I do however try to clearly identify areas that are "guesses" as opposed to
"fact".

At least with linux all the documentation is available on-line and in fact,
much of it comes with the distribution.  That's why redhat has a cd
dedicated to documentation.  Linux, like windows is an extremely complex set
of various software packages.  Your mileage may vary depending on the
hardware you have and the choices you make in the installation process.
apropos is a good command to remember as is man and info.

In conclusion, if you want a stable gui environment with optional text mode
that doesn't crash several times a day, buy os/2!  It's easy to setup and
runs like a champ.  It is however a bit dated.

Regards,

Cecil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita at home.ro>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: possible sollution

> Yes I thought the same but I've discovered that  I can't install Linux by
> myself, without sighted help, especially if I don't know  too many things
> about Linux.
> In Windows, even  somebody don't know too many things, they could press
the
> "next" button and the system will be installed.
> A friend installed me Red Hat, and there were some errors when trying to
> install it. He solved the problem, but he also read me those errors and
they
> were criptical for me.
>
> What I don't like under Linux is that there is no help for newbies.
> The people that know very much don't want to lose their times to teach
> others.
> They simply point to a web site, and that's all.
> Well, I am not online all the time because I am on dial up.
> The other manuals are only text format, and I should read a lot just to
get
> the information I want.
>
> I know, linux is very easy to use if you stay and read manuals for a few
> months, but it is not my style of learning.
>
> I like the trial and fail by example way of learning.
>
> This is not very easy under Linux because I don't see any error message
> telling me what's wrong.
>
> I can see "segmentation fault" and I don't know what can I do to solve
it...
> It is the same with the error messages from the log files.
> They tell more than the error messages from under Windows, I think, but I
> should learn by manual and it is not my style.
>
> I've tried learning from some lists, and almost all the help was "go to
> http:// ....
> I think you've got the idea.
>
> Well, I've made some lists on Yahoogroups for the blind and I really try
to
> help the people telling them step by step how to do some things, but Linux
> people don't have the time.
>
> Even that friend that installed me Linux told me that if he sees some
stupid
> questions on a list, he doesn't answer because he loses his time.
> Well, he is right, but if the people who don't know can't find help from
the
> people who know, then why joining a list?
> Just for pointing to a web page?
> I know to search with Google and I can find a lot of information about
> Linux, but  it will take me a lot of time to find what I could find with a
> single question and answer.
>
> I have a lot of books about Linux and Unix but I don't have the time to
read
> them all.
>
> With my way of learning, I've learned a lot of things for Windows, but is
> very hard to follow this way under Linux.
>
> Maybe I should change my way ... If I can.
>
> Teddy,
> orasnita at home.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 5:56 AM
> Subject: Re: possible sollution
>
>
> This is ridiculous. What do you mean you don't have another
> "solution?" You have Linux, right? Why would you even want to go
> further? Why would you bother to waste time compromising yourself
> over some technology that doesn't even care about you? What kind
> of a masochist are you, anyway? Stand up for yourself, and let
> that other stuff go. You don't need it.
>
> On Sun, 19 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>
> > Thank you. So the people don't want the others attention. I think that's
> the
> > problem.
> > In some countries, it is  something very bad to crack or to use pirated
> > software, but in others, the computer users have no other solution.
> > So if I can't afford to buy something, than the company that produces
that
> > software don't lose anything anyway, because if I don't steal it, I
won't
> > use it. That's all.
> >
> > Teddy,
> > orasnita at home.ro
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "brian Moore" <admin at bmoore.yi.org>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: possible sollution
> >
> >
> > our copy right laws in Canada are not significantly different in many
> > respects than those in the u.s.  this is one of my gripes with
> > bookshare abut that is a separate issue.  we have the same provisions
> > which allow for alternate format distribution but we still can't get
> > access.
> >
> > I am no copy right lawyer but I would suspect that discussing how one
> > might by pass a copy protection system is not strictly illegal, it
> > might attract some unwanted attention.
> >
> > Brian.
> >
> >
> > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> >
> > On 5/18/02 at 5:50 AM Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> >
> > >Is illegal in Canada to speak about cracks?
> > >To speak, not to crack.
> > >
> > >Thank you for information.
> > >Teddy,
> > >orasnita at home.ro
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg at romualt.dhs.org>
> > >To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > >Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 3:34 AM
> > >Subject: Re: possible sollution
> > >
> > >
> > >I agree. However, this list is on a machine in Canada. So ... Of
> > course, I
> > >don't know what the differences in such laws are between the 2
> > countries.
> > >Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 08:30:51PM -0400, Cecil H. Whitley wrote:
> > >> *snip*
> > >>
> > >> > Hey Igor,
> > >> > What you may want to look at is just doing a dump *snip*
> > >>
> > >> Can you please cease and desist with this on this list?  After all,
> > there
> > >is
> > >> a DMCA for us here in the u.s.  This thread is quite possibly over
> > the
> > >line
> > >> of what is legal within this country.  I for one do not wish to see
> > this
> > >> list banned and the site blocked and I assume that either or both
> > could
> > >> occur within the u.s.  Your cooperation is appreciated.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Cecil Whitley
> > >>
> > >>
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> >
> >
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> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
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> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
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