xwindows

Tue May 14 12:53:43 EDT 2002

This is helpful.

Thanks.

-- charlie.
At 10:20 PM 5/13/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Exactly!  You have no real way to start.  When I started using jfw in 1997,
>I listened to the tapes, and in 1998, started reading the windows help.
>Once in the summer, I was reading the msn troubleshooter for fun, and
>stumbled on of those "the troubleshooter can't help you." it had a special
>part thaqt said "call x if your in y, or y if you are in z" or that kind of
>thing.
>Anyway, I called a spanish phone number, and kept hitting numbers til
>someone answered, and then promptly hung up <lol>.  I think the only reason
>linux is so crapy in so many places is that the people that are writing it
>don't have a long-term goal.  For example, the goal for most software
>development companies is to make money.  Since the only thing in linux that
>I know of that you can buy is oss and installation cds, there's not much of
>a goal.  But they do it anyway.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita at home.ro>
>To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:04 PM
>Subject: Re: xwindows
>
>
> > But a good idea would be something like Norton Commander for DOS which has
>a
> > command line.
> > If someone knows the command line parameters, they can use it, but if they
> > don't know, they can choose from a lot of menus.
> >
> > A good idea would be a  kind of menus that can be easily changed without
> > programming.
> > For example, it would be nice to be able to go to the menu, choose the
> > commands menu/shell submenu, then from there choose "Print HTTPD.conf
>file"
> >
> > This would be more simple than typing cat /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf for
> > some users because they don't need to remember all that path.
> > Of course, it was just an example, but there are a lot more complicated
> > command lines.
> >
> > And that menuing system, should accept me to go to "Configure menu"
>submenu,
> > and there to be able to define other menus and submenus with the command
> > lines I want.
> > It should have a good "find files"  feature that has options  that can be
> > checked, or advanced options like Regular expressions.
> >
> > This way, or the graphical interface, it is absolutely necessary for Linux
> > to beat Windows.
> >
> > But yes, of course, somebody should make that program, but for free...
> > nobody  jumps.
> >
> > I am a beginner in Linux, and reading the man pages is like reading  some
> > comments from a C or Perl code.
> > There is no real help in Linux like in Windows.
> > In my opinion, the help file is for those who don't know, for beginners,
>for
> > newbies.
> > The man pages  of Linux are kind of reference for advanced users who don't
> > remember well the command line parameters, etc.
> >
> > That menuing program, if it is well done, and sold for a resonable fee
>(not
> > for free) would help many new Linux users.
> >
> > Those new Linux users may want  to pay  for some nice programs that don't
> > cost as much as the Windows ones, and this way, the Linux community will
> > increase, and a lot of programmers will think to start learning
>programming
> > under Linux.
> >
> > A system as Linux now, will remain only for advanced users, system
> > administrators, web space providers, and not for the large public.
> > The problem is that someone should start this for free, because, those
>Linux
> > advanced users won't pay for such a software.
> > They will use the command line  because they know how.
> >
> > But making that software, or (for blind users)  making the graphical
> > interface accessible for us, will be profitable even they will start
> > creating it for free or for a very low cost.
> >
> >
> > Teddy,
> > orasnita at home.ro
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 6:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: xwindows
> >
> >
> > Charlie:
> >
> > Well, there's absolutely nothing stopping someone from writing
> > such a menuing system!
> >
> > hint hint hint
> >
> > Getting people to use it instead of the command line? Well,
> > that's another story.
> >
> > Here's what I think will happen. Some peopl will chose it because
> > it seems to make life simple. Then they'll want to do something
> > the menus don't support. Then the author gets mail saying "why
> > doesn't your menu ..." Then were are you?
> >
> > Back at the command line?
> >
> > Hopefully. Because the alternative, a fully capable menuing
> > system, is far worse.
> >
> > Just goes to say there's no substitute for learning.
> >
> > On Mon, 13 May 2002, Charles Crawford wrote:
> >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > >          There is access not far off.  I would like to see a menuing
> > system
> > > for Linix text mode that would reduce the criptic command line having to
> > > remember all those commands and switches.
> > >
> > > -- charlie Crawford.
> > > At 10:12 PM 05/12/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Do you think we will ever have access to the gui?
> > > >
> > > >I find that I can access things faster in windows then in Linux text
> > > >mode.  I will admit that linux works much better then windows or the
> > winxp.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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