xwindows

[Ameer Armaly]

Exactly!  You have no real way to start.  When I started using jfw in 1997,
I listened to the tapes, and in 1998, started reading the windows help.
Once in the summer, I was reading the msn troubleshooter for fun, and
stumbled on of those "the troubleshooter can't help you." it had a special
part thaqt said "call x if your in y, or y if you are in z" or that kind of
thing.
Anyway, I called a spanish phone number, and kept hitting numbers til
someone answered, and then promptly hung up <lol>.  I think the only reason
linux is so crapy in so many places is that the people that are writing it
don't have a long-term goal.  For example, the goal for most software
development companies is to make money.  Since the only thing in linux that
I know of that you can buy is oss and installation cds, there's not much of
a goal.  But they do it anyway.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita at home.ro>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: xwindows


> But a good idea would be something like Norton Commander for DOS which has
a
> command line.
> If someone knows the command line parameters, they can use it, but if they
> don't know, they can choose from a lot of menus.
>
> A good idea would be a  kind of menus that can be easily changed without
> programming.
> For example, it would be nice to be able to go to the menu, choose the
> commands menu/shell submenu, then from there choose "Print HTTPD.conf
file"
>
> This would be more simple than typing cat /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf for
> some users because they don't need to remember all that path.
> Of course, it was just an example, but there are a lot more complicated
> command lines.
>
> And that menuing system, should accept me to go to "Configure menu"
submenu,
> and there to be able to define other menus and submenus with the command
> lines I want.
> It should have a good "find files"  feature that has options  that can be
> checked, or advanced options like Regular expressions.
>
> This way, or the graphical interface, it is absolutely necessary for Linux
> to beat Windows.
>
> But yes, of course, somebody should make that program, but for free...
> nobody  jumps.
>
> I am a beginner in Linux, and reading the man pages is like reading  some
> comments from a C or Perl code.
> There is no real help in Linux like in Windows.
> In my opinion, the help file is for those who don't know, for beginners,
for
> newbies.
> The man pages  of Linux are kind of reference for advanced users who don't
> remember well the command line parameters, etc.
>
> That menuing program, if it is well done, and sold for a resonable fee
(not
> for free) would help many new Linux users.
>
> Those new Linux users may want  to pay  for some nice programs that don't
> cost as much as the Windows ones, and this way, the Linux community will
> increase, and a lot of programmers will think to start learning
programming
> under Linux.
>
> A system as Linux now, will remain only for advanced users, system
> administrators, web space providers, and not for the large public.
> The problem is that someone should start this for free, because, those
Linux
> advanced users won't pay for such a software.
> They will use the command line  because they know how.
>
> But making that software, or (for blind users)  making the graphical
> interface accessible for us, will be profitable even they will start
> creating it for free or for a very low cost.
>
>
> Teddy,
> orasnita at home.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 6:09 PM
> Subject: Re: xwindows
>
>
> Charlie:
>
> Well, there's absolutely nothing stopping someone from writing
> such a menuing system!
>
> hint hint hint
>
> Getting people to use it instead of the command line? Well,
> that's another story.
>
> Here's what I think will happen. Some peopl will chose it because
> it seems to make life simple. Then they'll want to do something
> the menus don't support. Then the author gets mail saying "why
> doesn't your menu ..." Then were are you?
>
> Back at the command line?
>
> Hopefully. Because the alternative, a fully capable menuing
> system, is far worse.
>
> Just goes to say there's no substitute for learning.
>
> On Mon, 13 May 2002, Charles Crawford wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> >
> >          There is access not far off.  I would like to see a menuing
> system
> > for Linix text mode that would reduce the criptic command line having to
> > remember all those commands and switches.
> >
> > -- charlie Crawford.
> > At 10:12 PM 05/12/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Do you think we will ever have access to the gui?
> > >
> > >I find that I can access things faster in windows then in Linux text
> > >mode.  I will admit that linux works much better then windows or the
> winxp.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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