Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Thomas:

I, for one, would appreciate knowing whether or not bells are supported in 
grub, somehow. Recall, as you look, that they're not directly supported in 
lilo. They're a by-product of the display of a message file, which can be 
made to contain ASCII $7.

The other issue is a reliable way to load one kernel (or configuration) 
versus some other. This would need to be something not based on 
remembering which one was loaded last time.


On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Well, before we rule out bells in Grub I suspect I'll need to do some
> research to that effect. I've never tried to see if Grub supports bells.I
> merely had it wait a long enough period until I knew it had stopped and then
> arrow to the os I want.
> However, if there is a chanse it does support bells I will look into it. It
> may or may not have it.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Janina Sajka <janina at afb.net>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.
> 
> 
> > Usable and accessible aren't the same thing, though. I think you wrote
> > that you give yourself a lot of time to put the grub command in--arrowing
> > or whatever you do. If indeed there's no opportunity to insert bell chars,
> > or to echo a boot prompt of some kind to a serial device, I would
> > certainly adjudicate grub as less accessible. Feedback about what's
> > happening, and knowing where you are and what the results of your key
> > strokes will be are critical componants of accessibility.
> >
> > Not that lilo is all that accessible, either. But, there seems to be more
> > information there to support eyes-free interfaces.
> >  On Mon, 4 Mar
> > 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
> >
> > > Hmmm... Well, both are usable. Lilo verses Grub is more a personal issue
> > > rather than an accessible one.
> > > Neither boot loader is that dificult when instructed on how to use them,
> and
> > > if Linux resides as the only os on the system it is likely you may only
> have
> > > one partition to boot.
> > > However, perhaps starting out with lilo won't be a bad choice seeing the
> > > number of familiar users. Grub is new, and not a lot of blind Linux
> users
> > > have switched to it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Janina Sajka <janina at afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Let me raise a somewhat more thorny issue here. This topic came up for
> us
> > > > this morning because a newbie was asking for advice.
> > > >
> > > > If, as I think we've just established, grub is less accessible than
> lilo,
> > > > might I suggest that it is inappropriate to recommend the less
> accessible
> > > > option to a newbie. And, if it is appropriate to recommend it, isn't
> it an
> > > > ethical responsibility to advise about the accessibility concerns and
> the
> > > > existence of a more accessible option? I believe this is the
> > > > responsibility of those of us with a bit more knowledge and
> experience.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org