Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.

[Thomas Ward]

Well, before we rule out bells in Grub I suspect I'll need to do some
research to that effect. I've never tried to see if Grub supports bells.I
merely had it wait a long enough period until I knew it had stopped and then
arrow to the os I want.
However, if there is a chanse it does support bells I will look into it. It
may or may not have it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Janina Sajka <janina at afb.net>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.


> Usable and accessible aren't the same thing, though. I think you wrote
> that you give yourself a lot of time to put the grub command in--arrowing
> or whatever you do. If indeed there's no opportunity to insert bell chars,
> or to echo a boot prompt of some kind to a serial device, I would
> certainly adjudicate grub as less accessible. Feedback about what's
> happening, and knowing where you are and what the results of your key
> strokes will be are critical componants of accessibility.
>
> Not that lilo is all that accessible, either. But, there seems to be more
> information there to support eyes-free interfaces.
>  On Mon, 4 Mar
> 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
> > Hmmm... Well, both are usable. Lilo verses Grub is more a personal issue
> > rather than an accessible one.
> > Neither boot loader is that dificult when instructed on how to use them,
and
> > if Linux resides as the only os on the system it is likely you may only
have
> > one partition to boot.
> > However, perhaps starting out with lilo won't be a bad choice seeing the
> > number of familiar users. Grub is new, and not a lot of blind Linux
users
> > have switched to it.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Janina Sajka <janina at afb.net>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: Grub was Re: Installing Speakup separate from Linux.
> >
> >
> > > Let me raise a somewhat more thorny issue here. This topic came up for
us
> > > this morning because a newbie was asking for advice.
> > >
> > > If, as I think we've just established, grub is less accessible than
lilo,
> > > might I suggest that it is inappropriate to recommend the less
accessible
> > > option to a newbie. And, if it is appropriate to recommend it, isn't
it an
> > > ethical responsibility to advise about the accessibility concerns and
the
> > > existence of a more accessible option? I believe this is the
> > > responsibility of those of us with a bit more knowledge and
experience.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
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> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
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