Problems with pdf files.

[David Poehlman]

as long as we don't break the rules and get permission from the software
developpers whose software we are hooking into, you are correct.  you
are also correct that the reasons for the security flags in the first
place have little to nothing to do with us.  In fact, they are there to
protect documents from alteration and those same companies who would not
hesitate to and probably already do break them love the fact that they
can seal their documents.  I bet the federal government in the name of
national security has cracks in place especially since they are so easy
to do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda at shellworld.net>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: Problems with pdf files.


I would of course David!  as you would indeed represent ample expertise
but
given they laughed a hacker out of court, I seriously doubt they would
go
after a well-documented claim for Accessibility.

Maybe I should go and get a Technology Law Degree.  Perhaps I'd better
serve
others than working for a major corporation who has lost all sense of
the
value of human resources and for it's product.

As someone else said here, I doubt that if we did develop a utility,
that
many sighted persons would care about it in the first place.  The output
most definitely isn't what those with a pair of working eyes would want
to
view..  We certainly would have nothing to market but for the sake of
Accessibility to information which is presented to anyone else in the
first
place.

I believe it is reasonable to state that the reason why these permission
flags are set is to prevent a company like RadioShack and Best Buy who
commonly produce documents in this manner, from being scalped by their
competition.

We aren't anybody's competition and that's a fact hahahahah!

Amanda Lee


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1 at home.com>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Problems with pdf files.


> not if they call me as an expert witness.  that is reverse
> discrimination.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda at shellworld.net>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Problems with pdf files.
>
>
> I bet we could beat them on the technicality that as persons who are
> blind
> seeking to enable a document to be accessible and in an alternate
format
> which we otherwise could not read, is this side of the law but
provided
> one
> uses the information for his or her own use and does not post it where
> it
> can be accessed by others, then doubt there's much that would hold-up
in
> a
> court of law.
>
> So if I have a colleague print the document and I then scan it with an
> OCR
> program, is that illegal?  Yet I technically would have displayed the
> document in another form.  So I also suppose it is illegal to magnify
> the
> font on the screen so that a low vision person can read it?  Godf
> forbid!
> don't change the colors on your screen such that it is easier for
> someone
> who needs different color contrast.  So let's a bunch ofblind folks
get
> together and write a .pdf cracker! I'm ready to go to jail in protest!
> hahahahaha!  it's tempting because this is really against the ADA and
> Section 508 and against other laws.  I feel sorry for the poor slob
who
> went
> to jail.  I'd like to see where this case is documented.
>
> Amanda Lee
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk at 1tree.net>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Problems with pdf files.
>
>
> > On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > ....  Key here is
> > > getting around copy-protection. I really fault Adobe systems on
this
> one.
> > > Surely, there's gotta be a way to expose PDF text to the reader
with
> or
> > > with out a password ....
> >
> > There is a way. And the lead programmer recently was realeased after
> > spending five months in jail without a trial. He was allowed to
return
> to
> > Rusia. If you want to find the program he wrote it is out there. But
> > before some dumb ass asks, no I won't point you to it. The whole
DeCSS
> > trial in the states is over pointing people to a program to
circumvent
> > such things. I won't be lucky enough to have the EFF help with my
> defense
> > and I know nobody here will send enough money to make up for my lost
> wages
> > alone.
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk at 1tree.net
> >
> > Nowlan's Theory:
> >         He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
> >         the next freeway exit.
> >
> >
> >
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