Problems with pdf files.

[Thomas Ward]

A technology law degree? That sounds i nteresting.Someone in that field
would have some rather interesting cases.


----- Original Message -----
From: Amanda Lee <amanda at shellworld.net>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: Problems with pdf files.


> I would of course David!  as you would indeed represent ample expertise
but
> given they laughed a hacker out of court, I seriously doubt they would go
> after a well-documented claim for Accessibility.
>
> Maybe I should go and get a Technology Law Degree.  Perhaps I'd better
serve
> others than working for a major corporation who has lost all sense of the
> value of human resources and for it's product.
>
> As someone else said here, I doubt that if we did develop a utility, that
> many sighted persons would care about it in the first place.  The output
> most definitely isn't what those with a pair of working eyes would want to
> view..  We certainly would have nothing to market but for the sake of
> Accessibility to information which is presented to anyone else in the
first
> place.
>
> I believe it is reasonable to state that the reason why these permission
> flags are set is to prevent a company like RadioShack and Best Buy who
> commonly produce documents in this manner, from being scalped by their
> competition.
>
> We aren't anybody's competition and that's a fact hahahahah!
>
> Amanda Lee
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1 at home.com>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Problems with pdf files.
>
>
> > not if they call me as an expert witness.  that is reverse
> > discrimination.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda at shellworld.net>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: Problems with pdf files.
> >
> >
> > I bet we could beat them on the technicality that as persons who are
> > blind
> > seeking to enable a document to be accessible and in an alternate format
> > which we otherwise could not read, is this side of the law but provided
> > one
> > uses the information for his or her own use and does not post it where
> > it
> > can be accessed by others, then doubt there's much that would hold-up in
> > a
> > court of law.
> >
> > So if I have a colleague print the document and I then scan it with an
> > OCR
> > program, is that illegal?  Yet I technically would have displayed the
> > document in another form.  So I also suppose it is illegal to magnify
> > the
> > font on the screen so that a low vision person can read it?  Godf
> > forbid!
> > don't change the colors on your screen such that it is easier for
> > someone
> > who needs different color contrast.  So let's a bunch ofblind folks get
> > together and write a .pdf cracker! I'm ready to go to jail in protest!
> > hahahahaha!  it's tempting because this is really against the ADA and
> > Section 508 and against other laws.  I feel sorry for the poor slob who
> > went
> > to jail.  I'd like to see where this case is documented.
> >
> > Amanda Lee
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk at 1tree.net>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: Problems with pdf files.
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > > > ....  Key here is
> > > > getting around copy-protection. I really fault Adobe systems on this
> > one.
> > > > Surely, there's gotta be a way to expose PDF text to the reader with
> > or
> > > > with out a password ....
> > >
> > > There is a way. And the lead programmer recently was realeased after
> > > spending five months in jail without a trial. He was allowed to return
> > to
> > > Rusia. If you want to find the program he wrote it is out there. But
> > > before some dumb ass asks, no I won't point you to it. The whole DeCSS
> > > trial in the states is over pointing people to a program to circumvent
> > > such things. I won't be lucky enough to have the EFF help with my
> > defense
> > > and I know nobody here will send enough money to make up for my lost
> > wages
> > > alone.
> > >
> > > =======
> > > Kirk Wood
> > > Cpt.Kirk at 1tree.net
> > >
> > > Nowlan's Theory:
> > >         He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
> > >         the next freeway exit.
> > >
> > >
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