New to LINUX

rmann at rmisp.net rmann at rmisp.net
Thu Jan 3 13:08:13 EST 2002 

Just for your information, there is a braille translator available that
works under Linux.  It is called NFBtrans.  You can get it at NFB's web
site at www.nfb.org.


On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:

> Its that instability, lack of consistency, freezing problems, and
> restrictiveness that I'm trying to limit myself on by using linux. I can't
> give up windows for everything, since plenty of businesses are still
> running quite a bit of windows, but linux is popping up in many others
> around my area. Also, my braille translator's a dos/windows app.
> At 10:36 AM 1/3/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >Interesting. I will be interested to hear how it goes for you on linux,
> >then. At least until GNOME access becomes available to us, our linux
> >access is command based, mostly, and somewhat menu based (ncurses).
> >
> >My first computer was the Apple 2. I was a bit of an expert in it. I hated
> >DOS but got good at it. Next, I went to OS/2 and eventually to Windows 95.
> >I did not find gui easy at all, though arrowing around was never the
> >reason. What I found hard was that there did not seem to be enough
> >consistancy as to what "tab" contained what fields and checkboxes. And
> >then there were so many dialogs that didn't talk, or didn't talk well in
> >the early days. On top of that, they would freeze hard several times a
> >day, and sometimes several times an hour. I tell you, I don't miss
> >rebooting like Windows people of yore had to reboot--especially those of
> >us twiddling with configurations. I eventually got comfortable with the
> >gui, but I still hate the instability and the restrictivness.
> >
> > On
> >Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> >
> >> Windows was the first os I sat down and truly learned, and I've found it
> >> vary easy. However, it's that power that windows lacks that I'm trying to
> >> find in linux.
> >> Well, I'm not much of a traveler, or I probably would have gone to some
> >> place like Iowa or Minnesota.
> >> At 06:26 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >Hi, Jason:
> >> >
> >> >Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows. Rather, I
> >> >think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious,
> >> >when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same.
> >> >
> >> >As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to change
> >> >schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will
> >> >only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact! <bigger
> >> >grin>
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its
> apps have
> >> >> been stripped of all power to make it that way.
> >> >> The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be
> nothing
> >> >> in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any unix or
> >> >> linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k.
> >> >> At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >> >Jason:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I
> have
> >> >> >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than
> the
> >> >> >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and
> it's
> >> >> >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for
> DOS/Windows
> >> >> >Users. I'll add those.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I
> >> think
> >> >> >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose
> amongst,
> >> >> >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way
> linux
> >> >> >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the
> message
> >> >> >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means
> options
> >> >> >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on
> the
> >> >> >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't
> understand
> >> >> >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight
> >> >> >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but
> that
> >> >> >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things.
> >> >> >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Hi, Jason:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you
> >> found
> >> >> >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic
> >> links.
> >> >> >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining
> >> the
> >> >> >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical
> >> files
> >> >> >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every
> time
> >> >> >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see
> >> looking
> >> >> >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that
> you will
> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if
> >> >> you're
> >> >> >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called
> >> >> HOWTO-INSTALL.html
> >> >> >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all
> >> of
> >> >> >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions
> that you
> >> >> >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft,
> >> take
> >> >> >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and
> >> not all
> >> >> >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps
> >> you
> >> >> >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about
> >> putting it
> >> >> >> >all together. That's what it's there for.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look
> there as
> >> >> >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly!
> <grin>
> >> >> >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a
> >> chance
> >> >> >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me
> >> what
> >> >> >> >you think.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Happy New Year, everyone.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download
> the
> >> >> correct
> >> >> >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images,
> >> which
> >> >> >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso,
> and
> >> >> >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these
> extras?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
> >> >> >> >> >tia
> >> >> >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
> >> >> >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red
> Hat 7.2
> >> >> >> which is
> >> >> >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
> >> >> >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes at netins.net>
> >> >> >> >> >>>To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> >> >> >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
> >> >> >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed
> >> >> aready,
> >> >> >> >> >>>isn't
> >> >> >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned
> that had
> >> >> >> Speakup
> >> >> >> >> >>>> already installed.
> >> >> >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >Greg
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak,
> >> you made
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> statement:
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.
> >> >> However, if
> >> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >> >>>> want
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try
> >> >> >> Slackware 8
> >> >> >> >> >>>> which
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which
> >> there is a
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has
> speakup
> >> >> >> already
> >> >> >> >> >>>built
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> in?
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> tia
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >> >> >>>> Jason Symes
> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>_______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >>>Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >>>Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>Jason Symes
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >>Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >>Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >Jason Symes
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Jason Symes
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >--
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >> >> >> >				Technology Research and Development
> >> >> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >> >> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >> >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >> >> >> >http://www.openebook.org
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> >> >> >> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> >> >> >> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> >> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Learn how to make accessible software at
> >> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Jason Symes
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >
> >> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >> >> >				Technology Research and Development
> >> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >> >> >http://www.openebook.org
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >> >
> >> >> Jason Symes
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >
> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >> >				Technology Research and Development
> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >> >
> >> >Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >> >
> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >> >http://www.openebook.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >
> >> Jason Symes
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >
> >--
> >
> >				Janina Sajka, Director
> >				Technology Research and Development
> >				Governmental Relations Group
> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> >Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> >http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> Jason Symes
>
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