New to LINUX

Jason Symes jsymes at netins.net
Thu Jan 3 13:42:08 EST 2002 

Thanks. I'll take a look at it when redhat finishes downloading and I get
it installed.
At 01:08 PM 1/3/02 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Just for your information, there is a braille translator available that
>works under Linux.  It is called NFBtrans.  You can get it at NFB's web
>site at www.nfb.org.
>
>
>On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>
>> Its that instability, lack of consistency, freezing problems, and
>> restrictiveness that I'm trying to limit myself on by using linux. I can't
>> give up windows for everything, since plenty of businesses are still
>> running quite a bit of windows, but linux is popping up in many others
>> around my area. Also, my braille translator's a dos/windows app.
>> At 10:36 AM 1/3/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >
>> >Interesting. I will be interested to hear how it goes for you on linux,
>> >then. At least until GNOME access becomes available to us, our linux
>> >access is command based, mostly, and somewhat menu based (ncurses).
>> >
>> >My first computer was the Apple 2. I was a bit of an expert in it. I hated
>> >DOS but got good at it. Next, I went to OS/2 and eventually to Windows 95.
>> >I did not find gui easy at all, though arrowing around was never the
>> >reason. What I found hard was that there did not seem to be enough
>> >consistancy as to what "tab" contained what fields and checkboxes. And
>> >then there were so many dialogs that didn't talk, or didn't talk well in
>> >the early days. On top of that, they would freeze hard several times a
>> >day, and sometimes several times an hour. I tell you, I don't miss
>> >rebooting like Windows people of yore had to reboot--especially those of
>> >us twiddling with configurations. I eventually got comfortable with the
>> >gui, but I still hate the instability and the restrictivness.
>> >
>> > On
>> >Wed, 2 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >
>> >> Windows was the first os I sat down and truly learned, and I've found it
>> >> vary easy. However, it's that power that windows lacks that I'm
trying to
>> >> find in linux.
>> >> Well, I'm not much of a traveler, or I probably would have gone to some
>> >> place like Iowa or Minnesota.
>> >> At 06:26 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >Hi, Jason:
>> >> >
>> >> >Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows.
Rather, I
>> >> >think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious,
>> >> >when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same.
>> >> >
>> >> >As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to
change
>> >> >schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will
>> >> >only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact!
<bigger
>> >> >grin>
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its
>> apps have
>> >> >> been stripped of all power to make it that way.
>> >> >> The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be
>> nothing
>> >> >> in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any
unix or
>> >> >> linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k.
>> >> >> At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >> >Jason:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I
>> have
>> >> >> >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than
>> the
>> >> >> >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and
>> it's
>> >> >> >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for
>> DOS/Windows
>> >> >> >Users. I'll add those.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I
>> >> think
>> >> >> >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose
>> amongst,
>> >> >> >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way
>> linux
>> >> >> >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the
>> message
>> >> >> >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means
>> options
>> >> >> >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on
>> the
>> >> >> >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't
>> understand
>> >> >> >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly
straight
>> >> >> >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but
>> that
>> >> >> >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things.
>> >> >> >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Hi, Jason:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links
you
>> >> found
>> >> >> >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic
>> >> links.
>> >> >> >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of
streamlining
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical
>> >> files
>> >> >> >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every
>> time
>> >> >> >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see
>> >> looking
>> >> >> >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that
>> you will
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In
fact, if
>> >> >> you're
>> >> >> >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called
>> >> >> HOWTO-INSTALL.html
>> >> >> >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about
whether all
>> >> of
>> >> >> >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions
>> that you
>> >> >> >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease
draft,
>> >> take
>> >> >> >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and
>> >> not all
>> >> >> >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO
helps
>> >> you
>> >> >> >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about
>> >> putting it
>> >> >> >> >all together. That's what it's there for.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look
>> there as
>> >> >> >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly!
>> <grin>
>> >> >> >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give
me a
>> >> chance
>> >> >> >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do
tell me
>> >> what
>> >> >> >> >you think.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Happy New Year, everyone.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download
>> the
>> >> >> correct
>> >> >> >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named
images,
>> >> which
>> >> >> >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso,
>> and
>> >> >> >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these
>> extras?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
>> >> >> >> >> >tia
>> >> >> >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
>> >> >> >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red
>> Hat 7.2
>> >> >> >> which is
>> >> >> >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso
images at:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes at netins.net>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
>> >> >> >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup
installed
>> >> >> aready,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>isn't
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned
>> that had
>> >> >> >> Speakup
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> already installed.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >Greg
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes
wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak,
>> >> you made
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> statement:
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.
>> >> >> However, if
>> >> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> want
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want
to try
>> >> >> >> Slackware 8
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> which
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which
>> >> there is a
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has
>> speakup
>> >> >> >> already
>> >> >> >> >> >>>built
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> in?
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> tia
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________
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>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Jason Symes
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
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>> >> >> >> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>Jason Symes
>> >> >> >> >> >>
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>> >> >> >> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >Jason Symes
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________
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>> >> >> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Jason Symes
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >> >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >> >> >> >				Technology Research and Development
>> >> >> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
>> >> >> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> >> >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> >> >> >> >http://www.openebook.org
>> >> >> >> >
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>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin
Luther
>> >> >> >> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>> >> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Learn how to make accessible software at
>> >> >> >> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
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>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Jason Symes
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >> >> >				Technology Research and Development
>> >> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
>> >> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> >> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> >> >> >http://www.openebook.org
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
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>> >> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Jason Symes
>> >> >>
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >
>> >> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >> >				Technology Research and Development
>> >> >				Governmental Relations Group
>> >> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >> >
>> >> >Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >> >
>> >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> >> >http://www.openebook.org
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
>> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> >
>> >> Jason Symes
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >>
>> >
>> >--
>> >
>> >				Janina Sajka, Director
>> >				Technology Research and Development
>> >				Governmental Relations Group
>> >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> >
>> >Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>> >
>> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>> >http://www.openebook.org
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> Jason Symes
>>
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