New to LINUX
Jason Symes
jsymes at netins.net
Wed Jan 2 21:24:56 EST 2002
I forgot to mention something else that puts linux in a good position to
steal ms's customers. Windows is easier, but someone running a high-powered
server or mainframe doesn't want simple over powerful. Windows is also
becoming more bug-prone and full of security holes, which makes network
administrators work harder and longer just to fix.
At 08:14 PM 1/2/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Windows was the first os I sat down and truly learned, and I've found it
>vary easy. However, it's that power that windows lacks that I'm trying to
>find in linux.
>Well, I'm not much of a traveler, or I probably would have gone to some
>place like Iowa or Minnesota.
>At 06:26 PM 1/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hi, Jason:
>>
>>Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows. Rather, I
>>think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious,
>>when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same.
>>
>>As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to change
>>schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will
>>only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact! <bigger
>>grin>
>>
>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>>
>>> You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its apps
have
>>> been stripped of all power to make it that way.
>>> The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be nothing
>>> in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any unix or
>>> linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k.
>>> At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>> >Jason:
>>> >
>>> >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I have
>>> >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than the
>>> >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and it's
>>> >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for
DOS/Windows
>>> >Users. I'll add those.
>>> >
>>> >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I
>think
>>> >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose amongst,
>>> >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way linux
>>> >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the
message
>>> >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means options
>>> >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on the
>>> >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't
understand
>>> >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight
>>> >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but that
>>> >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things.
>>> >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Hi, Jason:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you
>found
>>> >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic
>links.
>>> >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining
>the
>>> >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical
>files
>>> >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every
time
>>> >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see
>looking
>>> >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that you
will
>>> be
>>> >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if
>>> you're
>>> >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called
>>> HOWTO-INSTALL.html
>>> >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all
>of
>>> >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions that
you
>>> >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft,
>take
>>> >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and
>not all
>>> >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps
>you
>>> >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about
>putting it
>>> >> >all together. That's what it's there for.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look there
as
>>> >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly! <grin>
>>> >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a
>chance
>>> >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me
>what
>>> >> >you think.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Happy New Year, everyone.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download the
>>> correct
>>> >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images,
>which
>>> >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso, and
>>> >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these extras?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>>> >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
>>> >> >> >tia
>>> >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
>>> >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
>>> >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat 7.2
>>> >> which is
>>> >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
>>> >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes at netins.net>
>>> >> >> >>>To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
>>> >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
>>> >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed
>>> aready,
>>> >> >> >>>isn't
>>> >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that had
>>> >> Speakup
>>> >> >> >>>> already installed.
>>> >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
>>> >> >> >>>> >Greg
>>> >> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
>>> >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak,
>you made
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> >>>> >> statement:
>>> >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
>>> >> >> >>>> >> > and then moved on to big and full distributions.
>>> However, if
>>> >> >> you
>>> >> >> >>>> want
>>> >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full distribution you might want to try
>>> >> Slackware 8
>>> >> >> >>>> which
>>> >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built in, or Red hat 7.2 which
>there is a
>>> >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup site.
>>> >> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has
speakup
>>> >> already
>>> >> >> >>>built
>>> >> >> >>>> >> in?
>>> >> >> >>>> >> tia
>>> >> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes
>>> >> >> >>>> >>
>>> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>> >> >> >>>> >
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>>> >> >> >>>> >
>>> >> >> >>>> Jason Symes
>>> >> >> >>>>
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>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>
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>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>Jason Symes
>>> >> >> >>
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>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >Jason Symes
>>> >> >> >
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>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> Jason Symes
>>> >> >>
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>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
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>>> >> >
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>>> >> >
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>>> >> >
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>>> >> Jason Symes
>>> >>
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>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >--
>>> >
>>> > Janina Sajka, Director
>>> > Technology Research and Development
>>> > Governmental Relations Group
>>> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>>> >
>>> >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>>> >
>>> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
>>> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>>> >http://www.openebook.org
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> Jason Symes
>>>
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>>
>>--
>>
>> Janina Sajka, Director
>> Technology Research and Development
>> Governmental Relations Group
>> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>>
>>Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>>
>>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>>http://www.openebook.org
>>
>>
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>>Speakup mailing list
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>>
>Jason Symes
>
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