New to LINUX

Wed Jan 2 21:09:07 EST 2002

Since I'm from the Corporate America World, I echo Janina's sentaments as
now we're discussing possibilities with IBM Mainframes, Linux as the O/S and
DB2 as the Database Management System/Environment and that's where it really
is in larger companies these days folks.  It's either Unix and C, Oracle,
Web Gui development or now emerging Mainframes supporting LInux so study up.
There may be a high-paying job out there for your self-taught Linux  skills.

Amanda Lee
Alexandria, VA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: New to LINUX

> Hi, Jason:
>
> Well, I don't think I agree that there's simplicity in Windows. Rather, I
> think it's familiarity, which can make things seem simple and obvious,
> when they're really not. Be that as it may, the result is the same.
>
> As for your college not teaching unix, too bad. Maybe it's time to change
> schools? <grin> I hear the U. of Singapore and many places like it will
> only have FREE software, but I don't really know that for a fact! <bigger
> grin>
>
>  On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
>
> > You caught my drift. Ms's biggest plus is its simplicity, but its apps
have
> > been stripped of all power to make it that way.
> > The lingo is my toughest problem with linux. The rest seems to be
nothing
> > in comparison. Its a shame that my college no longer teaches any unix or
> > linux networking concepts, but everything's gone over to win 2k.
> > At 05:03 PM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Jason:
> > >
> > >These are excellent points. I will incorporate them in the HOWTO. I
have
> > >known for some time that lingo presents a barrier much greater than the
> > >actual doing of linux. But, I don't explain this in the HOWTO, and it's
> > >worth a sentence or two, and worth a pointer to the Linux for
DOS/Windows
> > >Users. I'll add those.
> > >
> > >Also, I hear your point about the boot disk confusion--or at least I
think
> > >I do. I think its confusion borne of so many options to choose amongst,
> > >where Windows really doesn't provide options anything like the way
linux
> > >does. This is probably worth a few sentences as well. I think the
message
> > >has to do with power and simplicity being opposites. Power means
options
> > >and choices which are bound to be confusing at first. Simplicity, on
the
> > >other hand, means few, if any choices. Did I get your drift?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> > >
> > >> I took a peak at the howto file, and, considering how I don't
understand
> > >> the lingo of linux as well as in windows, it seemed fairly straight
> > >> forward. The only problem I had was with the boot disks stuff, but
that
> > >> again is because I'm so used to the windows way of things.
> > >> At 11:04 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >Hi, Jason:
> > >> >
> > >> >What can I say to make my point in just a few words? The links you
found
> > >> >are only pointers to the actual iso files--what we call symbolic
links.
> > >> >They are the result of my attempts to devise a means of streamlining
the
> > >> >distribution both of these iso images and of some of the critical
files
> > >> >within them, without requiring too many people make changes every
time
> > >> >there's a new release. I tell you this because what you don't see
looking
> > >> >at these symbolic links is how big the files actually are that you
will
> > be
> > >> >downloading. Essentially, each one is a packed CD ROM.
> > >> >
> > >> >I don't say this to discourage you, only to inform you. In fact, if
> > you're
> > >> >willing to work with a draft, you'll find a file called
> > HOWTO-INSTALL.html
> > >> >in the redhat directory that answers your question about whether all
of
> > >> >these files are necessary, and may answer many more questions that
you
> > >> >have yet to ask. If you're willing to work with a prerelease draft,
take
> > >> >a look at this file. Realize, please, that it isn't finished, and
not all
> > >> >of the links work yet. But please do let me know if this HOWTO helps
you
> > >> >understand what you need, where to get it, and how to go about
putting it
> > >> >all together. That's what it's there for.
> > >> >
> > >> >To the rest of the folks on this list, you're welcome to look there
as
> > >> >well--though I hadn't planned on going live quite so quickly! <grin>
> > >> >Please do not broadcast it or distribute it yet, though. Give me a
chance
> > >> >to finish it and get all the links working. But, please do tell me
what
> > >> >you think.
> > >> >
> > >> >Happy New Year, everyone.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002, Jason Symes wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Ok, I think I found the files, but I want to be sure I download
the
> > correct
> > >> >> ones. In the red hat 7.2 directory, I found a folder named images,
which
> > >> >> contained the files disk1.iso, disk2.iso, docs.iso, srpms1.iso,
and
> > >> >> srpms2.iso. Are all of these required, or are some of these
extras?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> At 02:30 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> > >> >> >Which file is the modified rh 7.2?
> > >> >> >tia
> > >> >> >At 02:10 AM 1/1/02 -0600, you wrote:
> > >> >> >>Thanks for the info. I'll consider rh.
> > >> >> >>At 03:03 AM 1/1/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > >> >> >>>Hi all versions of Slackware 8.0 has speakup in them. Red Hat
7.2
> > >> which is
> > >> >> >>>really good for newbies has a modified set of cd iso images at:
> > >> >> >>>ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/redhat/7.2/
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> >>>From: Jason Symes <jsymes at netins.net>
> > >> >> >>>To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > >> >> >>>Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:54 PM
> > >> >> >>>Subject: Re: New to LINUX
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>> But that's a version of Slackware 8 without Speakup installed
> > aready,
> > >> >> >>>isn't
> > >> >> >>>> it? I'm asking about the version that Thomas mentioned that
had
> > >> Speakup
> > >> >> >>>> already installed.
> > >> >> >>>> At 10:45 PM 12/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-8.0/iso/install.iso
> > >> >> >>>> >Greg
> > >> >> >>>> >
> > >> >> >>>> >On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 09:29:41PM -0600, Jason Symes wrote:
> > >> >> >>>> >> Hi Thomas.
> > >> >> >>>> >> While answering Chuck's question about trying zipspeak,
you made
> > >> the
> > >> >> >>>> >> statement:
> > >> >> >>>> >> That's possible. Many of us started on Zipspeak,
> > >> >> >>>> >> >   and then moved on to big and full distributions.
> > However, if
> > >> >> you
> > >> >> >>>> want
> > >> >> >>>> >> >to play with a full    distribution you might want to try
> > >> Slackware 8
> > >> >> >>>> which
> > >> >> >>>> >> >comes with Speakup built    in, or Red hat 7.2 which
there is a
> > >> >> >>>> >> >distribution of it modified on the Speakup    site.
> > >> >> >>>> >>
> > >> >> >>>> >> Where can I find this version of Slackware 8 that has
speakup
> > >> already
> > >> >> >>>built
> > >> >> >>>> >> in?
> > >> >> >>>> >> tia
> > >> >> >>>> >>
> > >> >> >>>> >> Jason Symes
> > >> >> >>>> >>
> > >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________
> > >> >> >>>> >> Speakup mailing list
> > >> >> >>>> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >> >>>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >> >>>> >
> > >> >> >>>> >_______________________________________________
> > >> >> >>>> >Speakup mailing list
> > >> >> >>>> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >> >>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >> >>>> >
> > >> >> >>>> Jason Symes
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >> >> >>>> Speakup mailing list
> > >> >> >>>> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >> >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>>_______________________________________________
> > >> >> >>>Speakup mailing list
> > >> >> >>>Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>Jason Symes
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>_______________________________________________
> > >> >> >>Speakup mailing list
> > >> >> >>Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >Jason Symes
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >_______________________________________________
> > >> >> >Speakup mailing list
> > >> >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> Jason Symes
> > >> >>
> > >> >> _______________________________________________
> > >> >> Speakup mailing list
> > >> >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >--
> > >> >
> > >> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > >> > Technology Research and Development
> > >> > Governmental Relations Group
> > >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >> >
> > >> >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >> >
> > >> >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > >> >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > >> >http://www.openebook.org
> > >> >
> > >> >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > >> >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > >> >
> > >> >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > >> >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > >> >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >> >
> > >> >Learn how to make accessible software at
> > >> >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >_______________________________________________
> > >> >Speakup mailing list
> > >> >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >
> > >> Jason Symes
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Speakup mailing list
> > >> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >>
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > >Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > >http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Speakup mailing list
> > >Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > Jason Symes
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
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