Hewlet Packard and Linux

Sun Aug 26 17:34:02 EDT 2001

Yes, very sorry about that. The correct uri for the GNOME Accessibility
Project is:

	http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gap/

On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Darragh wrote:

> I was very interested in visiting that page, but unfortunately, its a broken
> link.
>
> Darragh
> PS. Thanks for the reply about the links, I got the files that I was looking
> for.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Janina Sajka <janina at afb.net>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux
>
>
> > On Sat, 25 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think we'll see what
> > > you describe until there is an
> > > x speech server.
> >
> > Well, if you're in San Francisco over the next few days, stop by the Sun
> > Booth at LinuxWorld and see a prototype for GNOME. And/Or, join the
> > Tuesday evening BOFA session at the downtown SF Marriott. Or just take a
> > look at what's up at:
> >
> > http://www.gnome.org/projects/gap/
> >
> > My expectation is that the GNOME access elements will be the first out of
> > the gate for actual users next year. But, it's increasingly looking like
> > GNOME will not be the only choice.
> >
> > That's good of course. Choice is good.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> >
> >
> > > This would of course give us the ease of use of windows
> > > (no more commands, just menus), and it would give us
> > > access to staroffice and other things.
> > > When that happens, Linux will be on an equal footing with windows
> > > (if not farther) in terms of speech access.
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 11:28:36PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> > > > I've been following this thread for a while. and haven't decided to
> say
> > > > something until now.
> > > > I'm of the oppinion that linux as an operating system accessable to
> the
> > > > blind, is streets ahead of it's comercial counterparts.
> > > > I say this because as a user of both operating systems, I can see the
> place
> > > > for both of them. I find that windows in a normal office environment
> is a
> > > > very powerful tool indeed. However, if I could have the power of linux
> and
> > > > the ease of use of windows all rolled into one, I'd be a very happy
> camper.
> > > > I mean I'd like the nice frilly bits of microsoft word and excell and
> all
> > > > that but right at the moment, I haven't seen gpl console versions of
> either.
> > > > Linux is a great workhorse especially if you want to run it as a
> server box
> > > > or as a firewall, but I want the durrability of linux with the ease of
> use
> > > > of windows but I guess for now I'll just have to learn how to use
> linux to
> > > > it's full potential.
> > > > Don't get me wrong here, I'm not complaining, just stating how I feel
> on the
> > > > whole issue.
> > > > Shaun..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
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> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh at mhonline.net>
> > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:59 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Charlie and all -
> > > > >
> > > > > Your remarks about DOS are interesting - I was a DOS fan too and
> actually
> > > > > never moved to Windows, except to support my Arkenstone Open Book
> Unbound
> > > > > software. My machine is presently a dual boot machine so I can se
> Linux to
> > > > > get work done or else at boot time select DOS (I use the Caldera
> > > > > OpenDOS) to use my scanner software and one or two other legacy
> apps.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you remember when DOS was introduced in the early 80s, version
> 1.X was
> > > > > a lot like CP/M; as it was revised to 2.X and then 3.X, it gradually
> > > > > became a lot more like Unix than CP/M, with a hierarchical file
> system,
> > > > > batch files, and then later versions even had online help.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now that should tell you something: namely, that Unix was a mature
> > > > > standard for text consoles even in the early 80s when DOS was being
> forged
> > > > > in Redmond. Linux of course is an Open Source and contemporary
> > > > > implementation of Unix, and is therefore a decade ahead of the game
> > > > > compared to DOS.
> > > > >
> > > > > Linux is also a fundamentally dual personality system, with its GUI
> being
> > > > > a robust add-on to the underlying text based console system.
> > > > >
> > > > > Linux was created as Open Source on the internet and is maintained
> and
> > > > > developed there. It is a fundamental mistake to think of it in the
> same
> > > > > market terms as the other major OS. Of course there is no market for
> Linux
> > > > > accessibility solutions. But there are users and there is need, and
> that
> > > > > need is being met by and large without benefit of market concepts.
> > > > >
> > > > > How do people make a living in the Open Source world? By selling
> services,
> > > > > not products. Products in the Open Source world are organic things.
> They
> > > > > take root, they grow, they live or die on their merits, and they
> both give
> > > > > to and take from their users. There would be no Speakup if it were
> > > > > conceived on a marketing model of accessibility solutions,  trust me
> on
> > > > > that one.
> > > > >
> > > > > So - don't worry about Linux, it is in there for the long haul.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was recently tempted to spring for a preinstalled Linux system
> when I
> > > > > last upgraded, but opted for the "rolling my own" solution. I am
> convinced
> > > > > that if I had plunked down for a package deal I would have ended up
> > > > > overhauling it anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > > Will Linux ever be a mass market product suitable for the people who
> check
> > > > > their email once a week and want their machine to do what they want,
> and
> > > > > not what they say? Probably not. There may always be a niche for a
> > > > > Windows-type OS with its closely guarded secrets and predatory
> practices,
> > > > > with all the insides protected from meddling users and all the
> decision
> > > > > details already made for them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards - and welcome to the list!
> > > > >
> > > > > Chuck
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (46% of Full)
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
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> >
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> >
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> >
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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp