[DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- new version

Jude DaShiell jdashiel at panix.com
Fri Jun 3 09:02:59 EDT 2016

I can put the thumbdrive in and run update-grub, thanks for the 
suggestion. On Thu, 2 Jun 2016, Glenn wrote:

> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 21:37:02
> From: Glenn <glennervin at cableone.net>
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup at linux-speakup.org>
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- new version
> Jude,
> Can you install GRUB on that older computer and update it with the thumb 
> drive in, and thus have included in the GRUB menu?
> Otherwise, there are GRUB ISO's for CD's too, for finding thumb drives.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at panix.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "KatolaZ" <katolaz at freaknet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- new version
> aplay is probably available and creation of a login.wav file could be
> done with a command left in rc.local too.  I did get espeak talking and
> have a doubletalk so can probably test yasr with that.  Unfortunately
> since I have only a wifi connection in computer's location now, I
> couldn't get the wifi adapter up yet.  If this computer could boot from
> a usb port I could put the image on a flash drive then do configuration
> on that flash drive and boot the computer from that flash drive.
> Unfortunately it's an old amd k8 athelon machine that won't boot from
> usb.  If I get to an ethernet connection though this ought to work fine
> as a live disk.
> On Thu, 26 May 2016, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 19:23:51
>> From: Gregory Nowak <greg at gregn.net>
>> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>     <speakup at linux-speakup.org>
>> To: KatolaZ <katolaz at freaknet.org>
>> Cc: speakup at linux-speakup.org
>> Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Minimal Live Images -- new version
>> Hi KatolaZ and the speakup list,
>> KatolaZ, I'm sending a cc to the speakup list, which is full of blind
>> GNU/Linux speakup user's. I have my own thoughts on your comments
>> below, but my preferences aren't everyone else's. So, I think it's a
>> really good idea to give you more feedback at this point in our
>> discussion. Fellow speakup listers, the images that KatolaZ is
>> working on can be found at:
>> <http://devuan.kalos.mine.nu>
>> As I type this, we have a beep at the isolinux boot prompt, which
>> sounds to me like three beeps. You can either press enter here, or
>> wait a few seconds more. If you are booting from a burned cd, it will
>> spin for a bit. If you are booting some other way, wait maybe three
>> minutes at most, probably less. Either way, then type "root", and
>> "toor" as the password to login. Then to start speakup, type:
>> modprobe speakup_soft
>> followed by
>> service espeakup start
>> You should then hopefully get software speech. The images also include
>> brltty, which is started by default, and configured for a usb
>> display. Since brltty and speakup both want to use the numpad, you
>> will have to do service brltty stop to stop brltty, so speakup can
>> control the numpad. The alternative is to use speakup's laptop layout,
>> which does work just fine. The images include yasr as well, which I
>> haven't tested yet.
>> Comments are inline.
>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 06:54:09AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 03:33:05PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>> > Hi again,
>>> > as far as getting agetty to play ctrl+g ... I don't know of a way to
>>> > do that. You can however simply edit /etc/issue, and put a ctrl+g into
>>> > that. The way I do this in vi is to do vi /etc/issue.
>>> > Then I do "i" to insert at the beginning, and then I do ctrl+v ctrl+g
>>> > to insert a ctrl+g into the file. Then I just do esc, followed by
>>> > ":wq" to save the file.
>>> >
>>> Hi Greg,
>>> thanks you very much for your reply. I am actually trying to find a
>>> solution that is somehow configurable, but maybe that just putting a
>>> ^G in issue is just fine.
>>> I have also scripted a simple daemon that "beeps" every second during
>>> the boot, and emits a certain beep sequence when the boot is complete
>>> (basically, when getty has been spawned). I will now test it and if
>>> everything works fine I will include it in the next release.
>> Ok, thanks. I have tested so far with the
>> Devuan_1.0_Jessie-Beta_minimal-live_amd64-20160523_0028.iso image. At
>> the boot prompt, there are what seem to be three beeps one after the
>> other. I'm personally think that's probably longer than it needs to
>> be. I would say that a single beep is good enough. I'm also not sure
>> that progress during boot is necessary. I think that a beep at the
>> isolinux boot prompt, and another at the login prompt would be enough,
>> but that's just my personal opinion, others might find progress beeps
>> useful. I don't think such a a thing has been tried on a livecd before.
>>> I was also thinking of "marking" the bootloader entries with beeps,
>>> but I don'w know what is the best way to do that. Basically, at the
>>> moment we have a single beep in each of the "bootable" entries. Maybe
>>> it might be useful to have 1 beep for the first entry, 2 for the
>>> second one, and so on? I am not sure though, since we also have in the
>>> boot menu two or three "special" entries (one is memtest, the other is
>>> a call to the chainloader, to boot whatever is found in the first
>>> disk), which should be somehow marked differently.
>> I have always found it sufficient to know what was in
>> the boot menu, and to count arrow key presses to get what I wanted to
>> get to. Having different beeps for each boot entry is another concept
>> which I don't think has been tried before. I'm not sure
>> what the majority of blind
>> users would prefer. Perhaps you will get some feedback here.
>>> I would appreciate your take on this aspect. I was thinking to have
>>> something like:
>>> 1) a single beep for each "normal" boot entry
>>> 2) two beeps for the special "memtest" entry
>>> 3) three beeps for the chainloader
>>> A visually impaired user might just scroll through the first four
>>> options (a single beep for each line), then bump into the memtest (two
>>> beeps), then find the chainloader options (three beeps), then come
>>> back to the first bootable option (one beep)
>> That sounds reasonable to me.
>>> Thanks again for your feedback, which is very much appreciated.
>> Thanks again for your work.
>> Greg
>>> HND
>>> KatolaZ
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