[Support] status of our new images and a request (fwd)

Mon Feb 15 11:53:10 EST 2016

Might it be useful to have a script that would automate the compilation 
of speakup under pulseaudio as a post-install step for sonar in all of 
the graphical user interface forms and possibly for command line forms 
if those get developed?  For sure sed would have to be available to such 
a script to do necessary modifications on files before compilation but 
that's a small enough package though I don't know which group manjaro 
stores it if like archlinux I think base-devel.

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Alonzo Cuellar wrote:

> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 11:21:53
> From: Alonzo Cuellar <mariachiac at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>     <speakup at linux-speakup.org>
> To: speakup at linux-speakup.org
> Subject: Re: [Support] status of our new images and a request (fwd)
> 
> the problem is... Most applications require pulseaudio. You can choose 
> not to use it, but I'd think that would limit yourself not using 
> certain environments.
>
> Alonzo
>
>
> On 02/14/2016 09:21 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>> Oops, I miswrote. The fix here is to compile espeakup against
>> pulseaudio. This change should not be made upstream, since that would
>> mean espeakup depends on pulseaudio, and there's certainly no reason
>> for that.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 08:10:01PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>> In my experience, speakup works just fine on a system without
>>> pulseaudio installed. I don't see what the complaint is about below.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 09:14:40PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:55:58
>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger at vol.at>,
>>>>      Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>, support at sonargnulinux.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Support] status of our new images and a request
>>>>
>>>> hi
>>>> We've been wanting to make one for a while. We keep running into
>>>> either 1, issues with speakup when pulse audio is running, been
>>>> present for years and no one will own up to it or 2, brltty, which
>>>> can work as a console screen reader. Right now it doesn't support
>>>> the espeak fork, called espeak-ng, which sonar has switched to
>>>> using. It's rather embarrassing, and my own personal opinion is that
>>>> all the blind users who care about command line access, storm comes
>>>> to mind, should band together and bug the shit out of the speakup
>>>> people until they fix their bug. It's actually a combination of
>>>> speakup, and the fact that speakup runs in the kernel, which means
>>>> it runs as root, which means it's not subject to user permissions.
>>>> Why that means it doesn't produce sound I'm not sure, but it
>>>> doesn't. If pulse audio isn't running this just works, but otherwise
>>>> ... shrug.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Simon Eigeldinger via Support wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> ah sorry forgot about the command line users.
>>>>> maybe interesting when there will be maybe some console based sonar 
> isos.
>>>>>
>>>>> greetings,
>>>>> simon
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 14.02.2016 um 17:40 schrieb Jude DaShiell:
>>>>>> youtube-viewer I use on talkingarch and would install and use that if
>>>>>> accessible in graphical environment if accessible.  When I want to
>>>>>> search for channels in youtube-viewer I know how to do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2016, Simon Eigeldinger via Support wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 05:23:12
>>>>>>> From: Simon Eigeldinger via Support <support at sonargnulinux.com>
>>>>>>> Reply-To: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger at vol.at>
>>>>>>> To: support at sonargnulinux.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Support] status of our new images and a request
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's my take at the package liss:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> packages-desktop:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> maybe getting ried of:
>>>>>>> elinks: Is someone using that? seems not to work on my system.
>>>>>>> youtube-viewer: never used it used firefox.
>>>>>>> rythmbox: replacing it with audacious? gtk ipod tool is installed as
>>>>>>> well. no good solution?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe packages to be added:
>>>>>>> veracrypt from aur: disk and container encryption tool. pretty
>>>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>>> audacious: maybe better than rythmbox
>>>>>>> corebird: twitter client. pretty accessible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> packages-gnome: no ideas what to remove or add.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> packages-mate: no ideas what to remove or add.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> greetings,
>>>>>>> simon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 14.02.2016 um 02:58 schrieb kendell clark via Support:
>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>> Here goes. Packages-desktop, which is common packages that both gnome
>>>>>>>> and mate use, is pasted hear.
>>>>>>>> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/4Ykrak83Bhg4BjZF2EmH/. 
> Packages-gnome
>>>>>>>> can be seen hear.
>>>>>>>> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/o03gJEMO8B4IyN81dOcw/. 
> Packages-mate
>>>>>>>> can be seen hear,
>>>>>>>> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/RDbaW2X3Legc3zLOt63Y/.
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hadi via Support wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Kendell, Is it possible that you pastebin the mentioned files so we
>>>>>>>>> could take a look at it? There are some great pastebin sites like
>>>>>>>>> slexy.org.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/13/2016 2:56 PM, kendell clark via Support wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> hi all
>>>>>>>>>> Well, it's been long enough. I've been working with phil and teo to
>>>>>>>>>> improve the accessibility of calamares, but it's just not there yet
>>>>>>>>>> so I'm going to release new gnome and mate images with our old
>>>>>>>>>> installer, thus, instead. I've waited more than long enough and 
> I'll
>>>>>>>>>> write back in as soon as the 32 bit and 64 bit images are uploaded.
>>>>>>>>>> Before I upload the images though, I want to do some serious 
> cleanup
>>>>>>>>>> on our software selection. I've tried installing just about every
>>>>>>>>>> piece of software under the sun that a blind person might possibly
>>>>>>>>>> want on the live image, mainly to show a newcomer exactly what 
> linux
>>>>>>>>>> can do. But I think it's more than past time to thin the selection,
>>>>>>>>>> at least on the live images, considerably. Would all of you who 
> can,
>>>>>>>>>> clone our software repository and look at the Packages-Desktop 
> file,
>>>>>>>>>> as well as the main packages-gnome and packages-mate files and tell
>>>>>>>>>> me what software can be cut? The image sizes are getting out of
>>>>>>>>>> control, they've just surpassed the 2.0 gb mark, and I'd like to 
> trim
>>>>>>>>>> that down. To get our git repository, open a terminal and issue the
>>>>>>>>>> following commands. Git clone
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/manjaro/manjaro-tools-iso-profiles.git. Wait for
>>>>>>>>>> it to clone, it shouldn't take too long, then change into the 
> folder,
>>>>>>>>>> then into the sonar folder. The packages-desktop file is shared
>>>>>>>>>> between the gnome and mate profiles, so it's in the shared folder.
>>>>>>>>>> The others are in the gnome and mate folders, respectively. Again,
>>>>>>>>>> I'll write back in when the images are uploaded but I'll wait on
>>>>>>>>>> community feedback so I know what to remove, and once I have that,
>>>>>>>>>> I'll then build the images and upload them to sourceforge. I'm 
> really
>>>>>>>>>> sorry for the long delay, but I was trying to get calamares into a
>>>>>>>>>> usable state, but it's just not there yet. Thank you all of you who
>>>>>>>>>> have been patient and waiting for new images, it's definitely been 
> a
>>>>>>>>>> little more trouble than last time, that's for sure, grins.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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