[Support] status of our new images and a request (fwd)

Mon Feb 15 11:21:53 EST 2016

the problem is... Most applications require pulseaudio. You can choose 
not to use it, but I'd think that would limit yourself not using  
certain environments.

Alonzo

On 02/14/2016 09:21 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> Oops, I miswrote. The fix here is to compile espeakup against
> pulseaudio. This change should not be made upstream, since that would
> mean espeakup depends on pulseaudio, and there's certainly no reason
> for that.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 08:10:01PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>> In my experience, speakup works just fine on a system without
>> pulseaudio installed. I don't see what the complaint is about below.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 09:14:40PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:55:58
>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>> To: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger at vol.at>,
>>>      Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at panix.com>, support at sonargnulinux.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Support] status of our new images and a request
>>>
>>> hi
>>> We've been wanting to make one for a while. We keep running into
>>> either 1, issues with speakup when pulse audio is running, been
>>> present for years and no one will own up to it or 2, brltty, which
>>> can work as a console screen reader. Right now it doesn't support
>>> the espeak fork, called espeak-ng, which sonar has switched to
>>> using. It's rather embarrassing, and my own personal opinion is that
>>> all the blind users who care about command line access, storm comes
>>> to mind, should band together and bug the shit out of the speakup
>>> people until they fix their bug. It's actually a combination of
>>> speakup, and the fact that speakup runs in the kernel, which means
>>> it runs as root, which means it's not subject to user permissions.
>>> Why that means it doesn't produce sound I'm not sure, but it
>>> doesn't. If pulse audio isn't running this just works, but otherwise
>>> ... shrug.
>>> Thanks
>>> Kendell clark
>>>
>>>
>>> Simon Eigeldinger via Support wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> ah sorry forgot about the command line users.
>>>> maybe interesting when there will be maybe some console based sonar isos.
>>>>
>>>> greetings,
>>>> simon
>>>>
>>>> Am 14.02.2016 um 17:40 schrieb Jude DaShiell:
>>>>> youtube-viewer I use on talkingarch and would install and use that if
>>>>> accessible in graphical environment if accessible.  When I want to
>>>>> search for channels in youtube-viewer I know how to do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2016, Simon Eigeldinger via Support wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 05:23:12
>>>>>> From: Simon Eigeldinger via Support <support at sonargnulinux.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger at vol.at>
>>>>>> To: support at sonargnulinux.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Support] status of our new images and a request
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's my take at the package liss:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> packages-desktop:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> maybe getting ried of:
>>>>>> elinks: Is someone using that? seems not to work on my system.
>>>>>> youtube-viewer: never used it used firefox.
>>>>>> rythmbox: replacing it with audacious? gtk ipod tool is installed as
>>>>>> well. no good solution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe packages to be added:
>>>>>> veracrypt from aur: disk and container encryption tool. pretty
>>>>>> accessible.
>>>>>> audacious: maybe better than rythmbox
>>>>>> corebird: twitter client. pretty accessible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> packages-gnome: no ideas what to remove or add.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> packages-mate: no ideas what to remove or add.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> greetings,
>>>>>> simon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 14.02.2016 um 02:58 schrieb kendell clark via Support:
>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>> Here goes. Packages-desktop, which is common packages that both gnome
>>>>>>> and mate use, is pasted hear.
>>>>>>> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/4Ykrak83Bhg4BjZF2EmH/. Packages-gnome
>>>>>>> can be seen hear.
>>>>>>> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/o03gJEMO8B4IyN81dOcw/. Packages-mate
>>>>>>> can be seen hear,
>>>>>>> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/RDbaW2X3Legc3zLOt63Y/.
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hadi via Support wrote:
>>>>>>>> Kendell, Is it possible that you pastebin the mentioned files so we
>>>>>>>> could take a look at it? There are some great pastebin sites like
>>>>>>>> slexy.org.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/13/2016 2:56 PM, kendell clark via Support wrote:
>>>>>>>>> hi all
>>>>>>>>> Well, it's been long enough. I've been working with phil and teo to
>>>>>>>>> improve the accessibility of calamares, but it's just not there yet
>>>>>>>>> so I'm going to release new gnome and mate images with our old
>>>>>>>>> installer, thus, instead. I've waited more than long enough and I'll
>>>>>>>>> write back in as soon as the 32 bit and 64 bit images are uploaded.
>>>>>>>>> Before I upload the images though, I want to do some serious cleanup
>>>>>>>>> on our software selection. I've tried installing just about every
>>>>>>>>> piece of software under the sun that a blind person might possibly
>>>>>>>>> want on the live image, mainly to show a newcomer exactly what linux
>>>>>>>>> can do. But I think it's more than past time to thin the selection,
>>>>>>>>> at least on the live images, considerably. Would all of you who can,
>>>>>>>>> clone our software repository and look at the Packages-Desktop file,
>>>>>>>>> as well as the main packages-gnome and packages-mate files and tell
>>>>>>>>> me what software can be cut? The image sizes are getting out of
>>>>>>>>> control, they've just surpassed the 2.0 gb mark, and I'd like to trim
>>>>>>>>> that down. To get our git repository, open a terminal and issue the
>>>>>>>>> following commands. Git clone
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/manjaro/manjaro-tools-iso-profiles.git. Wait for
>>>>>>>>> it to clone, it shouldn't take too long, then change into the folder,
>>>>>>>>> then into the sonar folder. The packages-desktop file is shared
>>>>>>>>> between the gnome and mate profiles, so it's in the shared folder.
>>>>>>>>> The others are in the gnome and mate folders, respectively. Again,
>>>>>>>>> I'll write back in when the images are uploaded but I'll wait on
>>>>>>>>> community feedback so I know what to remove, and once I have that,
>>>>>>>>> I'll then build the images and upload them to sourceforge. I'm really
>>>>>>>>> sorry for the long delay, but I was trying to get calamares into a
>>>>>>>>> usable state, but it's just not there yet. Thank you all of you who
>>>>>>>>> have been patient and waiting for new images, it's definitely been a
>>>>>>>>> little more trouble than last time, that's for sure, grins.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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