Red Hat Enterprise 6.2

Fri Mar 29 09:51:04 EDT 2013

You can do all the printing from the command line or from the cups web 
interface.
Remember that in Unix and Linux, the command line is the primary way of 
getting stuff done, and the GUI is just usually a added feature/function.
I know of very few things that actually cannot be done from the command 
line with a little creativity.

-- Kelly Prescott

On Fri, 29 Mar 2013, Amanda Rush wrote:

> I'm not sure about that. As long as nothing else has to be added to the VM
> in order to make it work, maybe. But I don't know as that was the one
> thing I didn't try. And that would be fine when it came to all the CLI
> stuff, which admittedly is most of it, but there are also some graphic
> elements. Printing, for one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces at linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of Rob
> Hudson
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:07 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Red Hat Enterprise 6.2
>
> Will brltty work on it? This is nuts!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amanda Rush" <amanda at customerservant.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup at linux-speakup.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 7:58 AM
> Subject: RE: Red Hat Enterprise 6.2
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Red Hat will not allow you to compile Speakup into the RHEL kernel.
> Also,
>> if you're certifying for RHEL6.2 or any of the other RHEL versions,
> you're
>> expected to specifically use that distro. Also, they will not allow you
> to
>> bring in your own system and SSH into one of their boxes to do the
>> certification. As of this point, there is a VM you have to use that is
>> provided by Red Hat that you have to use to complete the cert, as well
> as
>> one for going through the curriculum, and speakup is definitely not part
>> of it. I tried getting speakup to compile on both of these, and was
>> unsuccessful. And in order to complete the curriculum for the cert,
> there
>> are scripts that have to run on your VM so that Red Hat's servers can
>> grade your labs. You could try accessing the grading pages via SSH, but
>> you're going to have to use Elinks to do it, and Elinks doesn't play
> well
>> with their grading page.
>>
>> I'd like to say Red Hat is just apathetic to accessibility concerns, or
>> that they just don't know any better, but given that they pretty much
> are
>> actively discouraging anyone who needs to use adaptive technology by
>> taking all these steps, I'm not so sure. I think the quickest solution
>> will be to talk to your employer and see if you can maybe demonstrate
> that
>> you can complete the tasks on the certification, and see if that would
>> suffice for your not having the cert. I wish you the best of luck. And
>> yes, if we could get one of the advocacy orgs on board and sue Red Hat,
>> that would be great. But it would be nice if they didn't settle, because
>> if it doesn't go to court, there's no legal precedence when this comes
> up
>> with another organization, (<cough>Cisco</cough>) and then the wheel has
>> to be reinvented all over again.
>>
>> Amanda
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces at linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of
> Tony
>> Baechler
>> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 5:36 AM
>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>> Subject: Re: Red Hat Enterprise 6.2
>>
>> Jason, Red Hat has made it very clear that they have no interest in
>> accessibility, so I highly doubt that just contacting them would do any
>> good.  I say this from looking at their sites and finding nothing at all
>> about accessibility.  They don't even ship Speakup with RHEL as far as
> I'm
>> aware, but since it's in staging, maybe they do now.  As I recall, 6.2
> is
>> rather old and uses a custom kernel with a large set of patches, so I
>> don't think you'll get Speakup to compile.  You could try compiling as
>> modules and see if it works, but I wouldn't hold my breath.  I think the
>> same applies to CentOS as well.  I'm not sure about Fedora.
>>
>> I don't know if Australia has any kind of accessibility laws, but I know
>> the US and UK do.  Probably someone in the US would have to ask Red Hat
> to
>> make an accessible solution available which they would probably refuse
> to
>> do.  It would then have to go to lawyers to settle.  It might not end up
>> in a suit, but it very well might.  Most likely, an advocacy
> organization
>> like the ACB or NFB would have to push Red Hat and it could take years.
>> Obviously, that won't help with the immediate problem.  By law, they are
>> required to provide an accessibility solution for you.  Since you're in
>> Australia, I really don't know if any of this would apply to you or not.
>> I would suggest asking if you can do the certification with ssh to the
>> RHEL box.  There are ssh clients for Linux and Windows, so one way or
> the
>> other, you could have speech.  If they let you bring your own laptop,
> you
>> could install Debian, Arch or Ubuntu on it which would give you Speakup.
>> If not, you could see if they would let you ssh from Windows with NVDA
> or
>> a different Windows screen reader.  As I said, they're required to
> provide
>> an alternative solution in the US, so you might even be able to make
> them
>> let you borrow a machine.
>>
>> I don't know anything about your work, but a better approach might be to
>> talk to your employer.  Yes, I realize that Red Hat gives the
>> certification, but your employer might be able to somehow work with Red
>> Hat and/or let you borrow a machine, especially since the point in
> getting
>> it is for work.  In the US, employers with more than I think 10
> employees
>> are required to make accomodations as necessary for accessibility.  An
>> example would be buying someone a screen reader so they can do their
> job.
>>
>> In conclusion, I would suggest studying the Americans with Disabilities
>> Act, or ADA.  I really don't know if it will help you, but at least
> you'll
>> know what's required by US companies.  The ACB has several ADA seminars
>> from the various conventions online.  I'm sure the NFB does as well.  I
>> would suggest the following two sites:
>>
>> http://www.acb.org/
>> http://www.acbradio.org/
>>
>> I know there is an organization in Australia as well which might be able
>> to help.  Please let us know what happens as I would be very interested
> to
>> see what Red Hat says.
>>
>> On 3/28/2013 10:16 PM, Jason White wrote:
>>> Sean Murphy<speakup at linux-speakup.org>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am going to prep for the Red Hat Admin certifications. I need to
>>>> know if what screen reader is available on the console? Speakup you
>> have to compile into the Kernel. So I am not sure if this can be done or
>> not. Any suggestions on how to get this console to work?
>>>
>>> I don't know, but have you contacted Red Hat about it? It's their
>>> certification, after all, hence in their business interests to ensure
>>> it's accessible to you. there might also be legal implications
>>> depending on the laws in force in your country.
>>>
>>> I am sure that others on this list will have advice to offer, but I
>>> think raising the issue with Red Hat would be a very good idea not
>>> only for you but for the benefit of others with access needs.
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