Main advantages of SBL over Speakup

Pia pmikeal at comcast.net
Fri Feb 12 18:17:19 EST 2010


Sorry, I forgot to delete past comments and so the message I sent was too 
big and so am re sending it now.

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Pia wrote:

> Actually, most of the 3D stuff if you are good at config files can be 
> adminned from the commandline.  It is the users that need the 3D workstations 
> and of course the HTC clusters are commandline only.  My workstation needs 
> the GUI for the rare time and I do mean rare that I have to have a GUI in 
> order to troubleshoot a user's problem because of the graphical nature of 
> their work, but other than that, any admin worth their salt in Unix can make 
> most changes behind the scenes via the commandline and in a good text editor 
> in console mode.  That isn't that strange at all.  I for the record did not 
> say that speakup would become irrelevant whatsoever.  You have me mixed up 
> with someone else on the list.  I merely pointed out that serial ports are 
> starting to go away and that that is a concern.  I apologize if I took your 
> comments as if they were hostile, but I suppose I get irritated at people 
> arrogantly supposing that they know what environment is best for everybody 
> and then telling someone who does not choose their way of doing things that 
> that person's way is irrelevant. I am glad that the speakup developers are a 
> lot better than that in that they actually listen to their users instead of 
> telling them how it should be.  Screen reader, speech synth, and overall 
> environment is a matter of personal choice and what works and so I think it 
> is lame to assume that the way you do things is the only relevant way to do 
> it.  As blind people, we are all fringe cases and so we should learn some 
> sensitivity from being on the short end of the stick so many times anyway 
> when deciding whose environment matters or not.
>
> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010, John G. Heim wrote:
>
>> But I'm not hostile.  I haven't said one hostile thing to you. All I've 
>> done is point out flaws and inconsistancies in your messages.   It seems to 
>> me that you're the one trying to force his opinions on others, not me.
>> 
>> I am not trying to criticize your personal choices as far as your work 
>> environment. But you surely must see that its not typical. For you to claim 
>> that speakup is going to become less relevant based on your very unusual 
>> needs is truely unfair.  You have this unique situation where you want to 
>> be bleeding edge (in your own words) while at the same time not.  You 
>> insist that you have to have this bleeding edge computer for 3D yet you 
>> also insist that you have to run your workstation in character mode all the 
>> time. Surely you must see that that's not typical. Most people in your 
>> position would use orca on their workstation and speakup on their servers. 
>> Or maybe they'd use a Windows workstation and still run speakup on their 
>> servers.
>> 
>> I don't see how you can fail to see how inconsistent your arguments are.



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