getting off my windows dependency

[mikster4 at msn.com]

Sina Bahram writes:

> Actually, I don't know why that is a false impression: they do not give you
> the illusion of a text editor, as the data is read only, and also it makes
> copying and pasting more intuitive ... Sited users can drag the mouse across
> some text, highlighting it, and then do whatever with it, so I see no reason
> why visually impaired users should not also have this ability?
I was maening more that it is not how the web browser works itself, it is 
something inserted by the screen reader. Normally you can't cursor around 
the page in a web browser, only jump between the controls. Maybe it is my 
mistake, but I thought the person was expecting this behaviour to be in the 
web browser.
> 
> Furthermore, I'm assuming you know this already since you brought windows
> screenreaders into it, they call their cursors differently when doing this:
> for example, jaws refers to it as a virtual cursor, specifically designed
> for exactly this.
> 
> Supernova and wineyes have similar naming conventions, but the illude me
> right now; however, all the rellavent manuals and information is availible
> on the respective companies' websites.
> 
> I just found your statement a bit weird, since I don't believe that the
> purpose of a website as purely presentational, should be always taken over
> the obvious content that websites provide.
> 
> Take care,
> Sina
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of mikster4 at msn.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:13 PM
> To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: getting off my windows dependency
> 
> I am not sure what you are meaning about show cursor. If you mean for it to
> show a cursor like in a text editor, I am not aware of one. I read the page
> with the numpad review keys, and use the cursor keys to move the highlight
> between page objects (e.g. links, text boxes, buttons, etc). Windows screen
> readers give you a false impression, they make it possible to cursor through
> the page like a word processor, in fact remove the screen reader, and that
> is no longer so. 
> 
> All settings for elinks can be reached through the menu system, and the
> screens that appear. You may find the setting screens more usable if you
> have no page loaded. Also you will find you will have to keep changing
> between cursoring mode in speakup.
> Mike
>  Farhan writes:
> 
>> yes, i actaully tried lynx and it was sorta wierd, i'll try elinks and 
>> see what happens do i have to type elinks show-cursor or not
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <mikster4 at msn.com>
>> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: getting off my windows dependency
>> 
>> 
>>> Would be helpful if you described what you want help with.
>>>
>>> I will assume that you meant what e-mail clients and web browsers are 
>>> there. I will assume you have your hardware sorted, and can get a 
>>> connection to the internet.
>>> I am currently writing this e-mail in cone. I like this because it 
>>> allows you to have multiple accounts specified, supports pop3, imap, 
>>> smtp, local mail and limited support for news accounts. I have found 
>>> that cone does not like my university imap server, so for that I use 
>>> pine. There are many more, and if you are using a distribution like 
>>> Debian or Gentoo with many packages and a package management system, 
>>> search that for e-mail, or similar.
>>>
>>> Web browsers, elinks is a good general purpose text based one, giving 
>>> cookies, java script, bookmarks, support for frames, and more. Most 
>>> pre-built packages of elinks do not seem to have java script, you may 
>>> have to build it from source (I found the patch included with elinks  
>>> 0.11 did not work on spidermonkey, so I had to compile spidermonkey 
>>> with elinks 0.10 first). Links2 comes with java script built in for 
>>> most pre-built packages, but links2 is more limited in features, 
>>> elinks is a branch-off from links2 and aims to give more features. 
>>> Lynx is a very basic text browser, but for simple things, I find 
>>> best. There may be some for gnome, but I don't know of these and their
> accessibility. Mike Farhan writes:
>>>
>>>> Hey i want to get off my windows dependency for reading email and 
>>>> using the net but i'm not sure how to do this. i need some help to 
>>>> get away from...microcrap. help?
>>>> _______________________________________________
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