getting off my windows dependency

[Sina Bahram]

Actually, I don't know why that is a false impression: they do not give you
the illusion of a text editor, as the data is read only, and also it makes
copying and pasting more intuitive ... Sited users can drag the mouse across
some text, highlighting it, and then do whatever with it, so I see no reason
why visually impaired users should not also have this ability?

Furthermore, I'm assuming you know this already since you brought windows
screenreaders into it, they call their cursors differently when doing this:
for example, jaws refers to it as a virtual cursor, specifically designed
for exactly this.

Supernova and wineyes have similar naming conventions, but the illude me
right now; however, all the rellavent manuals and information is availible
on the respective companies' websites.

I just found your statement a bit weird, since I don't believe that the
purpose of a website as purely presentational, should be always taken over
the obvious content that websites provide.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces at braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of mikster4 at msn.com
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:13 PM
To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: getting off my windows dependency

I am not sure what you are meaning about show cursor. If you mean for it to
show a cursor like in a text editor, I am not aware of one. I read the page
with the numpad review keys, and use the cursor keys to move the highlight
between page objects (e.g. links, text boxes, buttons, etc). Windows screen
readers give you a false impression, they make it possible to cursor through
the page like a word processor, in fact remove the screen reader, and that
is no longer so. 

All settings for elinks can be reached through the menu system, and the
screens that appear. You may find the setting screens more usable if you
have no page loaded. Also you will find you will have to keep changing
between cursoring mode in speakup.
Mike
 Farhan writes:

> yes, i actaully tried lynx and it was sorta wierd, i'll try elinks and 
> see what happens do i have to type elinks show-cursor or not
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mikster4 at msn.com>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:36 AM
> Subject: Re: getting off my windows dependency
> 
> 
>> Would be helpful if you described what you want help with.
>>
>> I will assume that you meant what e-mail clients and web browsers are 
>> there. I will assume you have your hardware sorted, and can get a 
>> connection to the internet.
>> I am currently writing this e-mail in cone. I like this because it 
>> allows you to have multiple accounts specified, supports pop3, imap, 
>> smtp, local mail and limited support for news accounts. I have found 
>> that cone does not like my university imap server, so for that I use 
>> pine. There are many more, and if you are using a distribution like 
>> Debian or Gentoo with many packages and a package management system, 
>> search that for e-mail, or similar.
>>
>> Web browsers, elinks is a good general purpose text based one, giving 
>> cookies, java script, bookmarks, support for frames, and more. Most 
>> pre-built packages of elinks do not seem to have java script, you may 
>> have to build it from source (I found the patch included with elinks  
>> 0.11 did not work on spidermonkey, so I had to compile spidermonkey 
>> with elinks 0.10 first). Links2 comes with java script built in for 
>> most pre-built packages, but links2 is more limited in features, 
>> elinks is a branch-off from links2 and aims to give more features. 
>> Lynx is a very basic text browser, but for simple things, I find 
>> best. There may be some for gnome, but I don't know of these and their
accessibility. Mike Farhan writes:
>>
>>> Hey i want to get off my windows dependency for reading email and 
>>> using the net but i'm not sure how to do this. i need some help to 
>>> get away from...microcrap. help?
>>> _______________________________________________