using Less commands

Wed Jan 28 11:38:06 EST 2004

hello Alex,

When I first tried using  Linux several years ago, I tried to learn  emac
with emac speake and was  completely lost and gave up the whole  process.

I am making a second stab at  it with Speakup running slackware.  My
purpose is use  Linux  as a end user. I. e, To have someone set up Linux
and then I will use  applications on it.  

I am doing quite well with mutt using  joe as its editor and lynx, but Joe
is just that, an editor and not a  word processor.

If Linux is to take a real bite out of Microsoft, it will have to be user
friendly.  The operating system is great now, but the applications are not
ready for  universal use.  For example if an employer wanted to hire a
secretary, he might be prepared to train her in using a user friendly word
processor, something equivalent to wp51 but not Emac with its hundreds of
command line commands. Also a user  friendly  spreadsheet such as Lotus for
dos should be  developed.  I have ttried to use SC as my spreadsheet and so
far have gotten nowhere with it.  I have yet to figure out how to even key
in numerric values, much less set up a complete  spreadsheet.  

I do hope that there are some  programmers out there busily  keying  many
lines of code developing such  types of applications, so as to make  Linux
a real contender in the home as well as in the market place environment.   

Do you feel that such  programs are in the works?

Thanks for listening to my ramblings,

Ed,
At 09:28 AM 1/28/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>emacs is good for wordprocessing and there are a few console 
>spreadsheet apps. what I'm waiting for is gnome to become fully 
>accessible so we have stable access to openoffice.
>On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 
>at 09:22:40AM -0500, Ed Thurston wrote:
>> Hello Janina,
>> 
>> Thank you for  replying to my querry concerning means of reading  long
>> files.  However, I probably asked the wrong question.  Now that the Linux
>> operating system is working  so well, when are user friendly  application
>> programs going to be available?  In particular a good word processing
>> program and a more user friendly spreadsheet program.  
>> 
>> Linux is making  significant inroads into third world and other countries
>> and  with such open source or freeware application programs becoming
>> available would  dramatically speed up the spread of the operating  system.
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Ed,
>> 
>> 
>> At 09:06 AM 1/27/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Or vim, which also supports all kinds of good things like bookmarks.
>> >
>> >Steve Holmes writes:
>> >> From: Steve Holmes <steve at holmesgrown.com>
>> >> 
>> >> It sounds like you might benefit from using emacs.  Yes, it is a
>> >> powerful and that often means complex, editor but you can bookmark
>> >> your positions in multiple places and save them from one session to
>> >> the next.  Its a bit much to try and explain here but if you get into
>> >> the info pages for emacs and look at the section on registers, you
>> >> will find it.  It works on read-only situations like info pages as
>> >> well as files being edited.
>> >> 
>> >> I know nothing about joe editor.
>> >> 
>> >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 08:59:45PM -0500, Ed Thurston wrote:
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Hello Steve,
>> >> > 
>> >> > you were  right on the money!  It worked  fine that way and
>> unfortunately I
>> >> > learned by  trying it out that the  mark is not saved after the
computer
>> >> > reboots, so will probably just use an editor like Joe to  read long
files
>> >> > and  just insert  symbols in the text at the point where I  would
>> want to
>> >> > resume reading at a later date.  I could use the find  command to find
>> the
>> >> > symbol. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Many thanks for  your assistance with this  problem.  
>> >> > 
>> >> > Do you know if there is any way to  get Joe to read more than a
page at a
>> >> > time.  This would  greatly speed up reading long documents.
>> >> 
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