RH9 disks on the net.

[Aaron Howell]

Hi there,
The situation was that the trainer who was organizing my participation had no idea of my experience with Linux
(I've been using various different flavors of it since spring 93 - thanks kerry *grin*)
and it was felt by him and RedHat in general that there was a pretty good chance I wouldn't pass the RHCE.
The form was to cover their butts so that when i failed, I couldn't turn around and say that it was because RedHat put me at a disadvantage,
Their attitude was that I shouldn't sit the RHCE until they got around to incorporating accessibility (ie speakup) into RedHat natively,
whenever that might be.
The satisfying thing was though, I not only passed, but I passed with 98% and beet both the instructors' marks.
So the tables were somewhat turned in the end.
Regards
Aaron
On Tue, Apr 08, 2003 at 11:40:38AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> This sounds silly, of course. But, I don't quite understand.
> 
> I think I understand the first part where you write, 
> "the provisions provided by Red Hat were of my own choosing." I would interpret this to mean something like, "you choose to take this test, so you choose what we offer
> according to the terms we offer it." Circular and silly, of course. 
> 
> But, about the alternative arrangements, what was the alternative? I don't quite follow this. It seems there was no alternative, just the one option which perhaps RH
> was saying put you at a disadvantage. Namely, that whoever wanted this signature realized you would have a tougher time than other candidates. But, is there some
> meaning I'm missing about an "alternative?"
> 
> Aaron Howell writes:
> > From: Aaron Howell <aaron at kitten.net.au>
> > 
> > Oh, and one more thing,
> > They made me sign an agreement that
> > "the provisions provided by Redhat were of my own chosing,
> > and that it was RedHat's opinion that I may be putting myself at a disadvantage by choosing to use such alternative arrangements."
> > That is, they gave me absolutely no choice, then made me agree that it was what I'd wanted all along.
> > Regards
> > Aaron
> > On Mon, Apr 07, 2003 at 11:55:24PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > Luke Davis writes:
> > > > From: Luke Davis <ldavis at shellworld.net>
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Luke Davis writes:
> > > 
> > > False.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > There is no evidence of any deliberation, nor of any decision. 
> > > 
> > > There is certainly evidence that special accomodations were not allowed.
> > > I would certainly agree that they should haave been allowed. That would
> > > constitute a reasonable accomodation and thus be more likely to equalize
> > > the opportunity. But, that isn't the same as people sitting down to say
> > > "let's stick it to this person." That's what "deliberately deny" means.
> > > 
> > > Did they deny equal access? Arguably so, by virtue of not making
> > > reasonable and appropriate accomodations. Was that a "deliberate
> > > decision to deny?" Bull..
> > > 
> > > Ignorance and lack of consideration? Yes. "Deliberate decision to deny."
> > > Hardly.
> > > 
> > > Or, perhaps you're privvy to some smoking memo? Or the meeting agenda
> > > where this deliberate decision was reached? 
> > > 
> > > So, thaat's one supposed fact in question. You did say "facts," as in
> > > the plural. So, what else
> > > > >
> > > > > "I have not investigated, and do not intend to investigate, the facts he
> > > > >  listed."
> > > > >
> > > > > Facts? What facts? There were no "facts" in that post, just allegations.
> > > > > Rather outrageous ones, too.
> > > > 
> > > > Regarding:
> > > > 
> > > > > Some will recall that Red Hat recently decided to deliberately deny
> > > > > equal access to its training material as offered to those whom decide to
> > > > > take their week-long RHCE training classes.  Oh, well...
> > > > 
> > > > Is this false?  Did they, or did they not, make these inaccessible?
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > 	
> > > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > > 				Technology Research and Development
> > > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > 
> > > Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > 
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> -- 
> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
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