my notes on l i n k s

[ccrawford at acb.org]

Hi Kenny,

	It was a program for audio output and can't remember the name 
after it said I needed X to run it.  Moreover, it really is not about a 
particular program since others will follow if a trend develops.

-- charlie.


On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Kenny Hitt wrote:

> Hi.  What programs are you talking about?  More important, what purpose
> do theese programs serve?
> 
>           Kenny
> 
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 07:19:10AM -0500, ccrawford at acb.org wrote:
> > Janina,
> > 
> > 	I hope this red flag that I have been carrying around turns out to 
> > be not needed.  I would like nothing more than to agree with you.  
> > 
> > 	If the console is not going away, then will the apps be able to be 
> > run from the console?  If so, then I am a happy guy and if not, then my 
> > concern remains that development will happen for X and leave the consol 
> > to those who don't mind using older programs and those who still like 
> > text.  
> > 
> > 	As I say, I am more than happy to agree with you and my only point 
> > is to emphasize that we need to be vigilant about this and make sure the 
> > community understands it.  There are already programs that will not run at 
> > the console level and I am hoping that is a fluke rather than a trend.  
> > Sure, programers can open the source code and re-engineer the program to 
> > work at the console level, but who will do it?
> > 
> > 	so the strategy must be to always remind the teams doing X 
> > development that there are console users who need the access.  Some may 
> > migrate to X just as there are many blind folks who say windows is now as 
> > accessible as DOS used to be.  To some extent that is true, but what 
> > access there is relies upon a fragil and cost intensive environment.  How 
> > much money are blind folks having to fork out just to keep up with the 
> > latest rease of whatever?
> > 
> > -- charlie.
> > 
> > 
> > ps:  I hope you are not viewing this as an attack since it is only a 
> > concern. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > 
> > > I really don't know what to say, Charlie. Seems that whatever I say
> > > doesn't register, and we comeback around to this same, nonspecific,
> > > dread.
> > > 
> > > So, at the risk of revisiting the same discussion as we've had on
> > > several occassions in the past on this list:
> > > 
> > > 1.)	The console is not going away.
> > > 2.)	Mozilla includes support for accessibility, both in its Win and
> > > Linux/Unix versions.
> > > 
> > > 3.)	Gnopernicus will support Mozilla. There's a team of some 12
> > > engineers working specifically on Mozilla accessibility.
> > > 
> > > Charles Crawford writes:
> > > > From: Charles Crawford <ccrawford at acb.org>
> > > > 
> > > > Janina,
> > > > 
> > > >         I read your message and I felt the shudder of dread that I 
> > > > remember when windows first became accessible.  It's a double edged 
> > > > sword.  I hoep we do not allow the console to go the way DOS did.  The only 
> > > > encouraging thing o that fron that I have heard in a real ong time is the 
> > > > note the other day about .netserver with text based and command line driven 
> > > > utilities.
> > > > 
> > > > -- chrlie.
> > > > 
> > > > At 12:23 PM 11/18/02 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > >Kenny Hitt writes:
> > > > >> From: Kenny Hitt <kennyhitt at knology.
> > > > >> I currently have lynx, w3m, and
> > > > >> links installed. ... Maybe someone can figure out a way to combine them
> > > > >> all into one mega browser.
> > > > >
> > > > >Well, hold on to your hat. Once we have gnopernicus, we'll be adding
> > > > >Mozilla to the list.
> > > > >
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