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Thomas Stivers stivers_t at ev1.net
Fri May 24 08:21:53 EDT 2002


Thanks for the info on mutt. I will give it a try again.

Nice summary of the pine charset thing. I looked at the faq and saw that
after posting.
Thanks
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Thomas Stivers
stivers_t at mail.utexas.edu

On Fri, 24 May 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:

> This is covered in the Pine FAQ.
> Windows-1252 is some charset that is specific to windows.
> the Pine developers don't want to supress the warning because it does
> cause certain users problems with characters and they would rather warn
> users of the bad character set than silently ignore it.
> Windows-1252 is not blessed by ISO and is only a standard by virtue
> that microsoft has put lots of it out there.
> It can cause havock with mime filtering gateways, character set conversion, and
> certain terminals.
> you are both right, a way to silence the message and fixing the windows computers should _both_ be done.
>
> You can make mutt refresh the screen better by setting
> set help=no
> in your .muttrc but you loose the top line of help.
> Note that if you delete a message and the next
> message has the same from or to line
> on it the lines will not be spoken.
> this is an ncurses optimization. If a program does not clear the screen
> and writes the same text to the same location on the screen that allready contains that text
> then ncurses will not rewrite the text onto the screen. This saves time
> over serial lines since if the text is allready onscreen
> it makes no sense to put the same text back in the same place unless
> the colour has changed.
> When I use mutt I usually drop back to the index and hit d rather than deleteing inside
> a message. The reason for this is I don't allways want to read
> the next message in the spool and I use the index to decide
> which messages I want to read.
> Many messsages get deleted without ever beeing opened.
> I hit enter on the messages I want to read and I set my header weeding in such a way
> that I cut out all the x- headers and all the list- headers.
> I know that hitting q then d then numpad 8 to quit a message,
> delete it and then read the current line for the next message under
> the cursor is 3 keystrokes but hell,
> I can touchtype at 50 words per minute so 3 keys  takes
> about half a second if that.
> The efficiency freaks are allways welcome to use mh <smile>
> but seriously I preferr mutt over pine and elm because of the integrated
> pgp support, the low noise screen display, the customizibility
> and the complete manual.
> I also like the way mutt marks new messages with N messages to you with t
> messages directly to you with + and messages cced to you with c
> so a new message carboncopied to you is nc. Pine does not do this.
>
> Regards, Kerry.
> On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 09:00:48PM -0500, Thomas Stivers wrote:
> > This does not apply. The charset stuff does not have any ill affects for
> > the windows users, therefore the program which does cause annoying
> > messages should have the ability to be silenced.
> >
> > Here I go letting myself get involved in this bickeri... er "exchange of
> > ideas" again.
> >
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> > Thomas Stivers
> > stivers_t at mail.utexas.edu
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