interesting experiment.

Wed May 22 23:08:52 EDT 2002

Not very good news, but I am glad that I can do everything at least.
Thanks.

Teddy,
orasnita at home.ro

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: interesting experiment.

> Octavian:
>
> Emacs and emacspeak are both very capable, and powerful. The main
> difference is that you have to learn a lot more to use emacspeak
> effectively. Speakup is easier to learn.
>
> On Tue, 21 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>
> > This is a real encouragement. Thank you.
> > What I am not sure yet, is if I will be able to do  with Emacspeak, all
what
> > you can do with speakup.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Teddy,
> > orasnita at home.ro
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 8:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: interesting experiment.
> >
> >
> > Yes, I have the same impression.
> >
> > Unfortunately, that puts him in a bit of a bind, but only until
> > he gets over his beginner's hump with emacspeak and his internal
> > DEC Talk. He should be OK after that.
> >
> > On Mon, 20 May 2002, Deedra Waters wrote:
> >
> > > >From some of the comments he's made both  on and off list I get the
> > > impression that money is a major issue. meaning that he 1 can't afford
to
> > > get a new synth to fully use speakup and 2 he can't afford to pay for
> > > software either.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 20 May 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > >
> > > > Greg:
> > > >
> > > > I'm pretty sure he isn't using Speakup. He doesn't have a
> > > > supported synth. He telnets from his Windows machine, as I
> > > > recall, and he's tried using ViaVoice directly with emacspeak. Of
> > > > course, the latter is a very steep learning curve.
> > > >
> > > > Still, he's got the DEC Talk internal, and emacs with or without
> > > > emacspeak is worth learning. Without emacspeak, he can run it
> > > > over telnet--but I doubt JFW is all that great as a telnet
> > > > client's screen review program. Also, the default Microsoft
> > > > telnet is pretty lame. I would think this setup is fraught with
> > > > frustration.
> > > >
> > > > So, emacspeak with that DEC Talk is probably his smartest option
> > > > right now, with the telnet as a back up to avoid rebooting.
> > > >
> > > > I have also suggest yasr and eflite, but he's insisting on
> > > > nothing less than Eloquence for free, so the DEC Talk is probably
> > > > the best compromise.
> > > >
> > > > Another option would be a better screen reader for telnet and a
> > > > better telnet client. That would mean a good DOS screen reader
> > > > like asap or Vocal-Eyes, assuming he can actually run DOS on that
> > > > Windows machine. Neither of those is very cheap, though, and
> > > > spending that much money would be dumb, because he could get a
> > > > good Doubletalk for less than the cost of that software.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > We're all assuming he's using speakup since he's here. But from
all of
> > Tedy's comments in other posts, I am beginning to get the impression
that
> > he's not, since he seems to be asking for screen readers which support
> > software tts.
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 10:58:09PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote:
> > > > > > Try man < emacs|less then use the speakup keys to read line by
line,
> > or
> > > > > > word by word if you wish. you can bring up the next page by
hitting
> > the
> > > > > > space bar.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, 20 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please enlighten me.
> > > > > > > I never used the Jaws cursor in the new HTML help  format
under
> > Windows.
> > > > > > > Select an item in the tree view, press enter, then press F6
and it
> > will
> > > > > > > automaticly start reading that help item. It is a simple HTML
file
> > there,
> > > > > > > and it works exactly as simple as Internet Explorer.
> > > > > > > You don't need the Jaws cursor at all.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You needed the Jaws cursor only for some bad designed help
files
> > in the old
> > > > > > > .hlp format.
> > > > > > > Now in the new .chm format, you don't have any problems.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But this doesn't matter too much. Please tell me how to
navigate
> > the man
> > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > I type man mv, for example.
> > > > > > > It starts to print all the help file, but maybe I want to move
> > with a page
> > > > > > > up then down, etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know this is possible. Thanks.
> > > > > > > Teddy,
> > > > > > > orasnita at home.ro
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au>
> > > > > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:05 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: interesting experiment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > SNIP
> > > > > > > > > You open a window, and it explains you what you should do
> > there.
> > > > > > > > > You have to press the space bar to check some checkboxes,
to
> > press some
> > > > > > > > > buttons, etc, and if you don't know something, press
shift+f10
> > (or the
> > > > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > mouse button and choose "what's this?" or press F1 to view
the
> > help file
> > > > > > > > > wich is much much more easier to navigate than the man
pages
> > under
> > > > > > > Linux.
> > > > > > > SNIP
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A fake.
> > > > > > > man pages under GNU/Linux are a lot easier to navigate than
> > windows help
> > > > > > > pages.
> > > > > > > you need to route the jaws cursor to the pc and then fart
around
> > trying to
> > > > > > > find what you were looking for.
> > > > > > > even with the new features in jfw I seriously doubt you could
> > navigate a
> > > > > > > help file easier than a man page..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
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> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
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