interesting experiment.

Tue May 21 18:13:18 EDT 2002

Yeah It's horrible under the winblows console.  Sometimes it doesn't read
the whole screen, and deffinately not the whole command prompt.  I get "w>"
instead of "c:\windows>".
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: interesting experiment.


> A better solution would be to get ASAP instead of JAWS for DOS.
> But that would cost you more than a Doubletalk internal card
> which would allow you to use Linux and Speakup natively. Your
> real problem is that lame excuse of a DOS screen reader called
> JAWS.
>
> On Mon, 20 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>
> > Yes I am connecting to the Linux machine but not with the default Telnet
> > included in Windows. I use SecureCRT and I use SSH2 protocol to work
under
> > Linux.
> > The program is pretty accessible, but of course it is not very friendly
to
> > use because  I have to read the screen with the mouse cursor (the Jaws
> > cursor).
> >
> > I know a better solution would be to install NCSA Telnet for DOS.
> > That program works fine under DOS and I heard that  it is easier to use
than
> > a windows program.
> >
> > I've downloaded it, but I need to configure it and I need to find a good
DOS
> > screen reader.
> > This won't be such a big problem, but the main idea is that I would like
to
> > use only the Linux machine, not 2 computers in the same time.
> >
> > I am willing to try more screen readers and sinthesizers, and as a
matter of
> > fact, I would like to try the mbrola sinthesizer because I heard that it
has
> > support for my native language, but I am afraid that I could broke
> > something, and then I won't be able to have the emacspeak back.
> >
> > I've seen some help files telling me that I should "compile" something
...
> > Well, here I am lost. How to compile?
> > I heard that there is another  screen reader named Jupiter  that works
with
> > the mbrola sinthesizer, but I am not sure here, and I heard that it is a
> > real screen reader, not like emacspeak.
> >
> > I am hoping 2 things:
> > 1. The GUI will be accessible for the blind and it won't be necessary a
> > hardware sinthesizer.
> > 2. The software sinthesizer will work with a newly  created screen
reader
> > for the GUI.
> >
> > If this won't happend very  soon, I hope I could use Jupiter with mbrola
and
> > I hope it sounds well.
> >
> > I think I need to clear a little why I need so much a good  voice easy
to
> > understand.
> > I am not a native english speaker and I don't speak english at all. I
only
> > type in english and I listen the screen reader.
> > Well, there is no support for my native language and I listen to
romanian
> > texts with the english sinthesizer. I think you imagine how well it
sounds.
> > Now I am used to listen to romanians texts in english with a pretty high
> > speed, and IBM Via voice sounds almost like the eloquence sinthesizer
and
> > that's why I like it.
> > If I need to read romanian texts in eenglish with the Dec Talk
sinthesizer,
> > I can't understand almost anything.
> >
> > In fact, it is hard to understand english texts also. The old Dec Talk
> > doesn't sound as well as the new ones.
> >
> >
> >
> > Teddy,
> > orasnita at home.ro
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 7:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: interesting experiment.
> >
> >
> > Greg:
> >
> > I'm pretty sure he isn't using Speakup. He doesn't have a
> > supported synth. He telnets from his Windows machine, as I
> > recall, and he's tried using ViaVoice directly with emacspeak. Of
> > course, the latter is a very steep learning curve.
> >
> > Still, he's got the DEC Talk internal, and emacs with or without
> > emacspeak is worth learning. Without emacspeak, he can run it
> > over telnet--but I doubt JFW is all that great as a telnet
> > client's screen review program. Also, the default Microsoft
> > telnet is pretty lame. I would think this setup is fraught with
> > frustration.
> >
> > So, emacspeak with that DEC Talk is probably his smartest option
> > right now, with the telnet as a back up to avoid rebooting.
> >
> > I have also suggest yasr and eflite, but he's insisting on
> > nothing less than Eloquence for free, so the DEC Talk is probably
> > the best compromise.
> >
> > Another option would be a better screen reader for telnet and a
> > better telnet client. That would mean a good DOS screen reader
> > like asap or Vocal-Eyes, assuming he can actually run DOS on that
> > Windows machine. Neither of those is very cheap, though, and
> > spending that much money would be dumb, because he could get a
> > good Doubletalk for less than the cost of that software.
> >
> > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> >
> > > We're all assuming he's using speakup since he's here. But from all of
> > Tedy's comments in other posts, I am beginning to get the impression
that
> > he's not, since he seems to be asking for screen readers which support
> > software tts.
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 10:58:09PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote:
> > > > Try man < emacs|less then use the speakup keys to read line by line,
or
> > > > word by word if you wish. you can bring up the next page by hitting
the
> > > > space bar.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 20 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Please enlighten me.
> > > > > I never used the Jaws cursor in the new HTML help  format under
> > Windows.
> > > > > Select an item in the tree view, press enter, then press F6 and it
> > will
> > > > > automaticly start reading that help item. It is a simple HTML file
> > there,
> > > > > and it works exactly as simple as Internet Explorer.
> > > > > You don't need the Jaws cursor at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > You needed the Jaws cursor only for some bad designed help files
in
> > the old
> > > > > .hlp format.
> > > > > Now in the new .chm format, you don't have any problems.
> > > > >
> > > > > But this doesn't matter too much. Please tell me how to navigate
the
> > man
> > > > > pages.
> > > > > I type man mv, for example.
> > > > > It starts to print all the help file, but maybe I want to move
with a
> > page
> > > > > up then down, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know this is possible. Thanks.
> > > > > Teddy,
> > > > > orasnita at home.ro
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au>
> > > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:05 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: interesting experiment.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > SNIP
> > > > > > > You open a window, and it explains you what you should do
there.
> > > > > > > You have to press the space bar to check some checkboxes, to
press
> > some
> > > > > > > buttons, etc, and if you don't know something, press shift+f10
(or
> > the
> > > > > right
> > > > > > > mouse button and choose "what's this?" or press F1 to view the
> > help file
> > > > > > > wich is much much more easier to navigate than the man pages
under
> > > > > Linux.
> > > > > SNIP
> > > > >
> > > > > A fake.
> > > > > man pages under GNU/Linux are a lot easier to navigate than
windows
> > help
> > > > > pages.
> > > > > you need to route the jaws cursor to the pc and then fart around
> > trying to
> > > > > find what you were looking for.
> > > > > even with the new features in jfw I seriously doubt you could
navigate
> > a
> > > > > help file easier than a man page..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
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> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
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