interesting experiment.

Tue May 21 10:03:00 EDT 2002

A better solution would be to get ASAP instead of JAWS for DOS.
But that would cost you more than a Doubletalk internal card
which would allow you to use Linux and Speakup natively. Your
real problem is that lame excuse of a DOS screen reader called
JAWS.

On Mon, 20 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:

> Yes I am connecting to the Linux machine but not with the default Telnet
> included in Windows. I use SecureCRT and I use SSH2 protocol to work under
> Linux.
> The program is pretty accessible, but of course it is not very friendly to
> use because  I have to read the screen with the mouse cursor (the Jaws
> cursor).
> 
> I know a better solution would be to install NCSA Telnet for DOS.
> That program works fine under DOS and I heard that  it is easier to use than
> a windows program.
> 
> I've downloaded it, but I need to configure it and I need to find a good DOS
> screen reader.
> This won't be such a big problem, but the main idea is that I would like to
> use only the Linux machine, not 2 computers in the same time.
> 
> I am willing to try more screen readers and sinthesizers, and as a matter of
> fact, I would like to try the mbrola sinthesizer because I heard that it has
> support for my native language, but I am afraid that I could broke
> something, and then I won't be able to have the emacspeak back.
> 
> I've seen some help files telling me that I should "compile" something ...
> Well, here I am lost. How to compile?
> I heard that there is another  screen reader named Jupiter  that works with
> the mbrola sinthesizer, but I am not sure here, and I heard that it is a
> real screen reader, not like emacspeak.
> 
> I am hoping 2 things:
> 1. The GUI will be accessible for the blind and it won't be necessary a
> hardware sinthesizer.
> 2. The software sinthesizer will work with a newly  created screen reader
> for the GUI.
> 
> If this won't happend very  soon, I hope I could use Jupiter with mbrola and
> I hope it sounds well.
> 
> I think I need to clear a little why I need so much a good  voice easy to
> understand.
> I am not a native english speaker and I don't speak english at all. I only
> type in english and I listen the screen reader.
> Well, there is no support for my native language and I listen to romanian
> texts with the english sinthesizer. I think you imagine how well it sounds.
> Now I am used to listen to romanians texts in english with a pretty high
> speed, and IBM Via voice sounds almost like the eloquence sinthesizer and
> that's why I like it.
> If I need to read romanian texts in eenglish with the Dec Talk sinthesizer,
> I can't understand almost anything.
> 
> In fact, it is hard to understand english texts also. The old Dec Talk
> doesn't sound as well as the new ones.
> 
> 
> 
> Teddy,
> orasnita at home.ro
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 7:38 AM
> Subject: Re: interesting experiment.
> 
> 
> Greg:
> 
> I'm pretty sure he isn't using Speakup. He doesn't have a
> supported synth. He telnets from his Windows machine, as I
> recall, and he's tried using ViaVoice directly with emacspeak. Of
> course, the latter is a very steep learning curve.
> 
> Still, he's got the DEC Talk internal, and emacs with or without
> emacspeak is worth learning. Without emacspeak, he can run it
> over telnet--but I doubt JFW is all that great as a telnet
> client's screen review program. Also, the default Microsoft
> telnet is pretty lame. I would think this setup is fraught with
> frustration.
> 
> So, emacspeak with that DEC Talk is probably his smartest option
> right now, with the telnet as a back up to avoid rebooting.
> 
> I have also suggest yasr and eflite, but he's insisting on
> nothing less than Eloquence for free, so the DEC Talk is probably
> the best compromise.
> 
> Another option would be a better screen reader for telnet and a
> better telnet client. That would mean a good DOS screen reader
> like asap or Vocal-Eyes, assuming he can actually run DOS on that
> Windows machine. Neither of those is very cheap, though, and
> spending that much money would be dumb, because he could get a
> good Doubletalk for less than the cost of that software.
> 
> On Sun, 19 May 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
> > We're all assuming he's using speakup since he's here. But from all of
> Tedy's comments in other posts, I am beginning to get the impression that
> he's not, since he seems to be asking for screen readers which support
> software tts.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 10:58:09PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote:
> > > Try man < emacs|less then use the speakup keys to read line by line, or
> > > word by word if you wish. you can bring up the next page by hitting the
> > > space bar.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 20 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> > >
> > > > Please enlighten me.
> > > > I never used the Jaws cursor in the new HTML help  format under
> Windows.
> > > > Select an item in the tree view, press enter, then press F6 and it
> will
> > > > automaticly start reading that help item. It is a simple HTML file
> there,
> > > > and it works exactly as simple as Internet Explorer.
> > > > You don't need the Jaws cursor at all.
> > > >
> > > > You needed the Jaws cursor only for some bad designed help files in
> the old
> > > > .hlp format.
> > > > Now in the new .chm format, you don't have any problems.
> > > >
> > > > But this doesn't matter too much. Please tell me how to navigate the
> man
> > > > pages.
> > > > I type man mv, for example.
> > > > It starts to print all the help file, but maybe I want to move with a
> page
> > > > up then down, etc.
> > > >
> > > > I know this is possible. Thanks.
> > > > Teddy,
> > > > orasnita at home.ro
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun_oliver at optusnet.com.au>
> > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:05 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: interesting experiment.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > SNIP
> > > > > > You open a window, and it explains you what you should do there.
> > > > > > You have to press the space bar to check some checkboxes, to press
> some
> > > > > > buttons, etc, and if you don't know something, press shift+f10 (or
> the
> > > > right
> > > > > > mouse button and choose "what's this?" or press F1 to view the
> help file
> > > > > > wich is much much more easier to navigate than the man pages under
> > > > Linux.
> > > > SNIP
> > > >
> > > > A fake.
> > > > man pages under GNU/Linux are a lot easier to navigate than windows
> help
> > > > pages.
> > > > you need to route the jaws cursor to the pc and then fart around
> trying to
> > > > find what you were looking for.
> > > > even with the new features in jfw I seriously doubt you could navigate
> a
> > > > help file easier than a man page..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
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