possible sollution

Sun May 19 09:06:29 EDT 2002

Hmm... sounds like another monoply!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg at romualt.dhs.org>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: possible sollution


> That's something else. I've heard that the screen reader for os/2 is about
$800, and it's the only one out there too.
> Greg
>
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 12:37:17AM -0400, Cecil H. Whitley wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I've left your post intact.  Just a couple comments about it.  Prior to
> > windows xp m.s. did not have a product which would provide speech while
it
> > was installing.  Slackware has an out-of-the-box speech enabled install
and
> > has for a while.  There are list members here whom donate their time
doing
> > the same for redhat.  Apparently that goes back a ways given the number
of
> > releases held on the speakup ftp site.  I can't speak for other list
> > members, but I try to answer all questions that I can (my knowledge base
is
> > also limited).  In at least one instance I have pointed a user to a
"howto",
> > but that is because of my ignorance on the subject matter and I would
prefer
> > to give accurate information as opposed to being overly helpfull and
> > exceeding my knowledge base.  Wrong answers do more damage than harm (at
> > least in my opinion).  Don't get me wrong, i'm not perfect nor is my
record.
> > I do however try to clearly identify areas that are "guesses" as opposed
to
> > "fact".
> >
> > At least with linux all the documentation is available on-line and in
fact,
> > much of it comes with the distribution.  That's why redhat has a cd
> > dedicated to documentation.  Linux, like windows is an extremely complex
set
> > of various software packages.  Your mileage may vary depending on the
> > hardware you have and the choices you make in the installation process.
> > apropos is a good command to remember as is man and info.
> >
> > In conclusion, if you want a stable gui environment with optional text
mode
> > that doesn't crash several times a day, buy os/2!  It's easy to setup
and
> > runs like a champ.  It is however a bit dated.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Cecil
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita at home.ro>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 12:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: possible sollution
> >
> >
> > > Yes I thought the same but I've discovered that  I can't install Linux
by
> > > myself, without sighted help, especially if I don't know  too many
things
> > > about Linux.
> > > In Windows, even  somebody don't know too many things, they could
press
> > the
> > > "next" button and the system will be installed.
> > > A friend installed me Red Hat, and there were some errors when trying
to
> > > install it. He solved the problem, but he also read me those errors
and
> > they
> > > were criptical for me.
> > >
> > > What I don't like under Linux is that there is no help for newbies.
> > > The people that know very much don't want to lose their times to teach
> > > others.
> > > They simply point to a web site, and that's all.
> > > Well, I am not online all the time because I am on dial up.
> > > The other manuals are only text format, and I should read a lot just
to
> > get
> > > the information I want.
> > >
> > > I know, linux is very easy to use if you stay and read manuals for a
few
> > > months, but it is not my style of learning.
> > >
> > > I like the trial and fail by example way of learning.
> > >
> > > This is not very easy under Linux because I don't see any error
message
> > > telling me what's wrong.
> > >
> > > I can see "segmentation fault" and I don't know what can I do to solve
> > it...
> > > It is the same with the error messages from the log files.
> > > They tell more than the error messages from under Windows, I think,
but I
> > > should learn by manual and it is not my style.
> > >
> > > I've tried learning from some lists, and almost all the help was "go
to
> > > http:// ....
> > > I think you've got the idea.
> > >
> > > Well, I've made some lists on Yahoogroups for the blind and I really
try
> > to
> > > help the people telling them step by step how to do some things, but
Linux
> > > people don't have the time.
> > >
> > > Even that friend that installed me Linux told me that if he sees some
> > stupid
> > > questions on a list, he doesn't answer because he loses his time.
> > > Well, he is right, but if the people who don't know can't find help
from
> > the
> > > people who know, then why joining a list?
> > > Just for pointing to a web page?
> > > I know to search with Google and I can find a lot of information about
> > > Linux, but  it will take me a lot of time to find what I could find
with a
> > > single question and answer.
> > >
> > > I have a lot of books about Linux and Unix but I don't have the time
to
> > read
> > > them all.
> > >
> > > With my way of learning, I've learned a lot of things for Windows, but
is
> > > very hard to follow this way under Linux.
> > >
> > > Maybe I should change my way ... If I can.
> > >
> > > Teddy,
> > > orasnita at home.ro
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 5:56 AM
> > > Subject: Re: possible sollution
> > >
> > >
> > > This is ridiculous. What do you mean you don't have another
> > > "solution?" You have Linux, right? Why would you even want to go
> > > further? Why would you bother to waste time compromising yourself
> > > over some technology that doesn't even care about you? What kind
> > > of a masochist are you, anyway? Stand up for yourself, and let
> > > that other stuff go. You don't need it.
> > >
> > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank you. So the people don't want the others attention. I think
that's
> > > the
> > > > problem.
> > > > In some countries, it is  something very bad to crack or to use
pirated
> > > > software, but in others, the computer users have no other solution.
> > > > So if I can't afford to buy something, than the company that
produces
> > that
> > > > software don't lose anything anyway, because if I don't steal it, I
> > won't
> > > > use it. That's all.
> > > >
> > > > Teddy,
> > > > orasnita at home.ro
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "brian Moore" <admin at bmoore.yi.org>
> > > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:58 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: possible sollution
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > our copy right laws in Canada are not significantly different in
many
> > > > respects than those in the u.s.  this is one of my gripes with
> > > > bookshare abut that is a separate issue.  we have the same
provisions
> > > > which allow for alternate format distribution but we still can't get
> > > > access.
> > > >
> > > > I am no copy right lawyer but I would suspect that discussing how
one
> > > > might by pass a copy protection system is not strictly illegal, it
> > > > might attract some unwanted attention.
> > > >
> > > > Brian.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> > > >
> > > > On 5/18/02 at 5:50 AM Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Is illegal in Canada to speak about cracks?
> > > > >To speak, not to crack.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thank you for information.
> > > > >Teddy,
> > > > >orasnita at home.ro
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg at romualt.dhs.org>
> > > > >To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > >Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 3:34 AM
> > > > >Subject: Re: possible sollution
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I agree. However, this list is on a machine in Canada. So ... Of
> > > > course, I
> > > > >don't know what the differences in such laws are between the 2
> > > > countries.
> > > > >Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 08:30:51PM -0400, Cecil H. Whitley wrote:
> > > > >> *snip*
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Hey Igor,
> > > > >> > What you may want to look at is just doing a dump *snip*
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Can you please cease and desist with this on this list?  After
all,
> > > > there
> > > > >is
> > > > >> a DMCA for us here in the u.s.  This thread is quite possibly
over
> > > > the
> > > > >line
> > > > >> of what is legal within this country.  I for one do not wish to
see
> > > > this
> > > > >> list banned and the site blocked and I assume that either or both
> > > > could
> > > > >> occur within the u.s.  Your cooperation is appreciated.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Regards,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cecil Whitley
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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> > >
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