interesting experiment.

Sun May 19 01:05:56 EDT 2002

Hi,
even more usefull....
You've got your network settings set to "obtain an ip address
automatically"..... How do you find your current ip address?  Under 9x?
Under NT?  Under 2k/xp?
You have to remember which operating system and which command to use because
it's not the same in all cases.

Admittedly the learning curve is less steep, but the os itself is less
powerfull as well.  Fewer features directly relate to easier to learn.  Less
capability also directly equates to less learning needed.  GUI's have some
benefits, almost any 1d10t can erase/format his/her hard drive in less time.
It's amazing how fast sighted people can trash a windows system.  Keeps me
employed anyway.
Cecil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: interesting experiment.

> On Sun, 19 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>
> > If you know a good text editor under Linux please tell me.
>
> emacs and/or vim. You'll never need anything else. So, learn them
> or go back toWindows.
>
> > Well, under Windows, you don't need to remember anything at all.
>
> That's not true. What is your card's mac address? Go ahead. Find
> it.
> Then tell us you don't need to remember anything.
>
> > You open a window, and it explains you what you should do there.
> > You have to press the space bar to check some checkboxes, to press some
> > buttons, etc, and if you don't know something, press shift+f10 (or the
right
> > mouse button and choose "what's this?" or press F1 to view the help file
> > wich is much much more easier to navigate than the man pages under
Linux.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Teddy,
> > orasnita at home.ro
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: interesting experiment.
> >
> >
> > OK, let's take this one question at a time ...
> >
> > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> >
> > > Are there any games accessible for the blind under Linux, like under
> > > Windows?
> > > Please tell me some web addresses.
> >
> > I was with you until you said "like Windows." I have no idea
> > about Windows. I know nothing about it.
> >
> > But, if you want games, you can find them. Maybe they're better,
> > maybe not. But they're out there. Emacs comes with games, and
> > some are speech enabled by emacspeak. The only game I really know
> > much about is gnu chess which can be obtained from
> > http://www.gnu.org.
> >
> > I'm generally too interested in things to play games on my
> > computer. Last thing I'm likely to do, so I'm out of knowledge
> > here.
> >
> > > Are there any good sound editing programs for Linux, like Sound Forge,
> > Cool
> > > Edit, Gold Wave, etc, and programs for creating MIDI music, like Cake
> > Walk?
> >
> >
> > There's ecasound and sox. Very accessible. And there's
> > gramophone. I recently came across a java midi patch editor, but
> > I haven't had the time to get it working yet to find out about
> > its accessibility. Admitedly, these are less functional than the
> > Windows apps you mention for many tasks. Is this what you do? Or
> > are these academic questions?
> >
> > > Is there a text editor, that has macro features, Regular expressions,
the
> > > ability to save in Windows/Mac/Unix format, etc?
> >
> > What is Mac format? I've never heard of that. And what is Windows
> > format?
> > And, why would you care?
> >
> > Is there powerful text editing, formatting, scripting? Of course
> > there is. Far more powerful than in Windows or Mac. There are
> > probably too many to mention, actually. Linux/Unix has the
> > proprietary world beat hands down on this one.
> >
> > Those format questions are themselves silly. You don't need them.
> > You certainly don't need them to communicate with anyone, or to
> > print out lovely reports, or design lovely e-content for on line
> > publishing, etc.
> >
> > In fact, you do better to forget them and use the superior tools
> > available on Linux.
> >
> > >
> > > ... Just a few things that camed to mind.
> > >
> > > A lot of things are accessible, but ... harder to learn, harder to
> > configure
> > > and harder to use, if I am not so bright to remember 1000 command line
> > > parameters.
> >
> > Give me a break. Grow up. How do you remember 1,000 dialog boxes.
> > How do you remember where to tell windows to show extensions to
> > files, for example. Or how about finding your ethernet card's mac
> > address. Do you remember that? I could go on. This is another
> > bogus argument.
> >
> > But, if you think the gui is actually superior, you're going to
> > lose this excuse soon enough. GNOME is coming. What sad song are
> > you going to sing then?
> >
> > >
> > > Thank you for the links.
> > > Teddy,
> > > orasnita at home.ro
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:59 PM
> > > Subject: Re: interesting experiment.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 18 May 2002, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
> > > > I just wish Linux were
> > > > a more viable general purpose workstation; I use Windows for that
> > purpose.
> > > >
> > > Hi, Darrell:
> > >
> > > Just wondering what you think is missing from Linux' desktop
> > > applications.
> > >
> > > In case this sounds loaded, it might be. The underlying question
> > > might be: Is it your knowledge deficit, or is it Linux itself?
> > > For my own experience in this matter, I've found it's my
> > > knowledge deficit almost without exception.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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