Needs educating: Message from Linux (fwd)

[Amanda Lee]

Yeah! freedom! freedom! freedom! freedom! wish I could type tyat word all
day! long but it might drive some crazy!

"free at last"!!!

Amanda Lee


On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Georgina wrote:

> Hi
>
> Exactly, it is what the GNU is all about "Freedom" for me to bake the cake and
> for you to have a copy of the recipe if you wish and even modify it as I'm not
> perfect.  But if time is pressing, you can still have a piece to eat on the
> hoof, if you wish.  Freedom.... Freedom.... Freedom.... Freedom...
>
> Gena
>
>
>
> >Hahahahaha! that was cute!
> >
> >I ain't domesticated anymore!  I prefer to buy my cake and eat it too!
> >Now if I had sufficient time to make that cake, I'd probably grind my own
> >spices and decorate it really nice!  but the point herein is obviously,
> >the masses aren't going to want to tailor things and write scripts and so
> >forth so there is where sharing these things will be necessary to promote
> >Linux as being palateible to those who don't want to bake that cake!
> >
> >Amanda Lee
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Georgina wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Here's how I see it, I might be entirely wrong but its how I understand thin
> gs:
> >>
> >> You want to eat some cake?  Well you can buy a uniform one off the shelf.
> >> The one you buy today will taste the same as the one you buy next week.  You
> >> can't really change any aspect of it.
> >>
> >> However, you can make one yourself and you can choose which of the many
> >> available parts to make up your whole.  You can gather a variety of
> >> parts or can even go back as far as growing them yourself.  Thus you don't h
> ave
> >> to spread your cake with jam to make it palatable, you just make it to fit
> >> your taste.  If X is the flour, eggs and butter.  Gnome and KDE are differen
> t
> >> combinations of fruit or other flavourings.
> >>
> >> Jam here in the UK means fruit preserve, I think that it is known as jelly i
> n
> >> other parts.
> >>
> >> Gena
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >         Thanks.  I understand what you are saying.  Does this mean that
> >> >there would not be a fix for X-Windows like the MSAA in Windows?  Would we
> >> >need some kind of major off-screen model?
> >> >
> >> >-- charlie Crawford.
> >> >
> >> >At 11:09 AM 1/22/02 -0700, you wrote:
> >> >>Actually, being familiar with X myself, I'll answer this one.
> >> >>
> >> >>Xwindows, is a misnomer, in reality, it's just an X server, and clients. T
> he
> >> >>server draws to the screen, and sends user input to the clients. The clien
> ts
> >> >>are the applications, the clients are usually on the same machine as the
> >> >>server, but they don't have to be.
> >> >>
> >> >>X itself is nothing more than a network protocol for sending graphic data
> to
> >> >>an X workstation, the X protocol has no provisions for button, text box, o
> r
> >> >>any widgets for that matter, it has: line, circle, filled circle, rectangl
> e,
> >> >>filled rectangle, pixmap, etc...
> >> >>
> >> >>X also sends keyboard input and mouse click locations to the applications
> >> >>that own the windows they occur in.  Beyond that, X's only other capabilit
> y
> >> >>is to send text glyphs (rendered in a given font) back to applications tha
> t
> >> >>request them.
> >> >>
> >> >>As for widgets, and controls, and a nice unified API for writing programs,
> >> >>you need a "toolkit library". What's a toolkit library you ask? A better
> >> >>question might be "what isn't a toolkit library?"
> >> >>First of all, there are a lot of toolkit libraries out there, some are ver
> y
> >> >>simple (Athena) while some have a full-blown callback API and can be adjus
> ted
> >> >>with themes (GTK, GTK+) and some are object-oriented C++ based APIs (QT).
> >> >>They all basically do the same thing, provide functions/objects/structures
>  to
> >> >>the application to draw typical GUI widgets, and send draw requests to the
>  X
> >> >>server. Here's the hairy part, each toolkit has its own look and feel, has
> >> >>its own API, has its own conventions, and basically has its own everything
> .
> >> >>
> >> >>There's also the seperate window manager, which is simply another X client
> >> >>which registers a few special functions with the X server so it can get th
> e
> >> >>location and owner of each window and add decorations and task switching
> >> >>behavior. Some (most) window managers do more than this, but they all do a
> t
> >> >>least this.
> >> >>
> >> >>Windows, on the other had, has the equivalent of the toolkit library and
> >> >>window manager built into the kernel (sort of) and most applications eithe
> r
> >> >>use that, or a custom one that is very similar to it.
> >> >>
> >> >>I'm sure this is incomplete, but I've already been wracking my brain for a
> n
> >> >>hour over it, so I'll close here, feel free to ask questions or tell me ab
> out
> >> >>parts that are unclear.
> >> >> >       Good to see you on this list.  I wonder if there are some folks
> >> >> out there
> >> >> > familiar with XWindows to share the kind of navigation that goes on wit
> h
> >> >> > it?  I have no idea.  Is it the same icons and rdio buttons and all of
> >> >> > tht?  How is it different than windows and how much more easy would acc
> ess
> >> >> > be to develop in the XWindows environment?  These are important questio
> ns
> >> >> > to your point I imagine.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
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