speakup howto, was: Re: suggestions for Speakup

Janina Sajka janina at afb.net
Mon Jan 14 10:55:54 EST 2002 

Saqib:

I just want to make my position very clear. Nothing I say about this 
topic, today, yesterday, or tomorrow, is in any way about you--unless I 
first tell you otherwise, I suppose! <grin> I am certainly aware who the 
boss is in your relationship with IBM.

I do want to say, also, that I think they've done the right thing
involving you, and I'm also glad to hear you're getting paid.  They've
done a great job, imho, with the emacspeak HOWTO documentation, aand I
expect no less with the speakup documentation you and they will create.
So, don't say anything you're not supposed to. That certainly isn't
necessary here. I expect they'll understand the importance of treating
this list the same way they treated the emacspeak list. That is all of
what I meant about World War III.

As for me, I've initiated another contact channel with IBM. I do think,
though that it would be very appropriate for you to pass along the
expectations of folks on this list to them.



 On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Saqib 
Shaikh wrote:

> I'm not allowed to make everything public but I guess we'll only get a bad
> name if we stay quiet.  It is *totally separate* from my previous docs - IBM
> were doing it and why reinvent the heel so they just turned the wheel into a
> motor-driven wheel with a tyre.
> 
> Saqib
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: speakup howto, was: Re: suggestions for Speakup
> 
> 
> > Gregory:
> >
> > I don't know. Theyh haven't consulted me on their plans. Why don't we just
> > ask them to tell us all here on the list?
> >
> > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> >
> > > So will this new joint howto be a rewriting and incorperation of Saqib's
> original howto, or a totally new document?
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 01:36:53PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > Excellent questions, Gregory. IBM's Accessibility on Linux page, which
> is
> > > > at:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/linux/projects/access/
> > > >
> > > > says "The IBM Linux Accessibility Team contributes to the open-source
> > > > community's accessibility efforts in order to help
> > > >    accelerate Linux."
> > > >
> > > > This is, of course, an incomplete statement which makes no sense on
> its
> > > > own. What do they mean "accelerate linux?" I suspect they don't mean
> "make
> > > > it run faster," for example. I'm sure there's a word missing in that
> > > > sentence, but I diagress ...
> > > >
> > > > This page goes on to say:
> > > >
> > > > "November 15, 2001
> > > >    Saqib Shaikh, author of several Speakup documents, agreed to
> coauthor
> > > > new Speakup HOWTO with Jennifer Jobst."
> > > >
> > > > Since I see no link, I assume they're not offering up any drafts just
> yet,
> > > > but I certainly expect they'll do so before finalizing their document.
> I
> > > > know Jennifer posted a draft of her emacspeak documentation on the
> > > > emacspeak list, so I suspect she's lurking here, and will do the same
> for
> > > > us. And, of course, Saqib is active on this list, so perhaps he'd like
> to
> > > > share about this? I do recall he offered us his own, quite excellent
> > > > speakup HOWTO last spring. Are there other speakup docs you've
> written,
> > > > Saqib? That one is the only one I'm aware of to date.
> > > >
> > > > Now, let me speculate on the real reason IBM is up to all those
> wonderful
> > > > efforts they proudly list at the url provided above:
> > > >
> > > > I believe IBM wants to make money selling computers to the U.S.
> > > > Government. I believe they want the option to sell systems without
> > > > Microsoft applications, and Microsoft operating systems. Recent news
> > > > stories have explained about contracts from IBM to Redhat for ports of
> the
> > > > Redhat distribution of open source linux for a range of IBM servers,
> and
> > > > even IBM's S390 mainframe.
> > > >
> > > > To me, these facts point to the intention to be Sec.508 compliant in
> > > > systems proposals for U.S. Federal procurments. And, I say, "Amen, and
> > > > more power to them."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > IBM is authoring a howto about speakup? Where can I find a copy to
> look at?
> > > > > And uhhhm, why are they doing it?
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 11:28:21AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Stick to the straight and
> > > > > > > narrow and make sure each feature under consideration really
> > > > > > > belongs in a screen reader. Examples: the cut and paste feature
> > > > > > > really did belong; the reinitialization feature really does not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Strongly agree, but with a suggested twist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reinitialization feature should go into the HOWTO that Saqib
> and IBM
> > > > > > are authoring about speakup. It's a valuable tip that even novice
> users
> > > > > > can set up for themselves, and learn a little linux in the
> process. And,
> > > > > > they'll end up with a feature they are likely to find useful, and
> that
> > > > > > they wouldn't come upon very quickly on their own.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Saqib, Jennifer, are you listening??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
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> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina at afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
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> 
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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

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