O/T Win ME and Cute FTP -- was choosing a version and distro

Sat Feb 23 19:25:02 EST 2002

Hi Alex,
I have used MsIE 5.5's ftp facility though I prefer the command line one
from a DOS box.
I am not just saying this because I am not on Bill gate's Xmas card list or
anything, but given the fact that ME itself isn't one of Ms's better
versions of Windows, that is if there's such a thing as a good version of
Windows, I'd say it isn't Cute FTP that crashes your system or that causes
it but rather it's ME itself that just happens because you use ME as your
operating system.
I am of the personal opinion that if a machine has enough ram and processor
power to run ME nicely that unless its users want to do any gaming why not
use 2000 Pro on it as it has more security features available.
Of course, if the users of that same pc are doing any video graphics
intensive gaming, then ME/98 is the best way to go.
Nevertheless, this in-depth discussion of Winblows is off topic for this
list so Alex if you'd like to discuss it further feel free to e-mail me
directly as opposed to sending to the list by writing to:
ed.barnes at janus.northatlantic.nf.ca.

Ed Barnes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow at gmx.net>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version

I use the ftp client that is in ie 5.5.  The only time it got me really
pissed was when it crapped out when I downloaded debian for a friend.  Why
he wanted debian, I don't know.
Also cute ftp crashes my windows me box.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Barnes" <ed.barnes at janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version

> Hi janina, I eventually successfully downloaded the images with no
problems,
> the main reason I don't usually use programs which support download
> resumption is because I am now on cable and if I am downloading isoes and
> such I usually set them to start before I go to bed here at home and if it
> craps out it's no big deal, I just re-start it when I leave for school in
> the mornings.
> I also don't like Cute FTP, it's a question of personal preference in this
> case, and it was the only client I bothered to familiarize myself with
when
> it comes to Windows-based anything in the ftp client arena.
> I usually use ftp from the Windows DOS-box, the only thing I find
> challenging, and I would guess others probably find this to be so
> irregardless what command line utility they are using is remembering long
> file names because they are becoming more and more common.
> I downloaded Ncftp but haven't tested it out.
>
> Thanks Janina and have a good week-end.
> Ed Barnes
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina at afb.net>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 1:38 PM
> Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
>
>
> Two points:
>
> 1.) You should be dlwonloading from linux-speakup.org, and nowhere
> else. Any other address you may have been given is now old news. Though
> well-meaning people will still give out other addresses, this is now the
> one to use, and the one that will stay for the forseeable future.
>
> Using http, goto:
>
> http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/images/
>
> Or, use anonymous ftp at ftp.linux-speakup.org and cd to
> pub/speakup/disks/redhat/images.
>
> 2.) If at all possible, use some kind of download software that
> supports resuming an interrupted download. As you're discovering, this can
> be an invaluable feature. ncftp for windows is one such client:
>
> ftp://ftp.ncftp.com/ncftp/binaries/ncftp-3.1.2-win32.exe
>
> There are others, such as CuteFTP at:
>
> http://www.globalscape.com/download/index.shtml
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Ed Barnes wrote:
>
> > Hi Thomas, I have all of the above, fast network connection, fast cdrw
> > drive, etc, however; I discovered the red hat 7.2 cd images including
> > speakup in the red hat site at linux-speakup and both times I tried
> > downloading disk 1 of the i386 iso images both transfers died at about
the
> > 60 mb point, anyone have any thoughts as to why this happened.
> > I didn't receive any errors on screen.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thomas Ward" <tward at bright.net>
> > To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > Hi, Ed. Well, I would suggest Red Hat 7.2 myself. If you have access to
a
> > high speed internet connection, and a cdrom burner there is a version of
> Red
> > Hat 7.2 on the Linux Speakup site that has Speakup already built in. It
> has
> > boot disks to help you with a self voicing install, etc.
> > Red Hat was my first distribution, and still is my favorite
distribution.
> > Fpor newbies it has quite a lot to offer. The sound configuration tools,
> > kudzu hardware maniger, and other configuration tools to help you get it
> > going.
> >
> > Your partitioning sounds good. It would be a vary good idea to put /home
> on
> > /dev/hdb.  I will leave it up to others to give specifics on
partitioning
> > they use.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ed Barnes <ed.barnes at janus.northatlantic.nf.ca>
> > To: linux speakup listserve <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:22 AM
> > Subject: choosing a distro and version
> >
> >
> > > Hi again folks, hope nobody is sick of hearing from me yet, if so, I'm
> > > sorry.
> > > nevertheless, I was looking at the speakup web site, in particular
> > available
> > > information on Debian and Red Hat Linux distroes.
> > > I am debating choosing to setup either a Debian or a Red Hat system as
> my
> > > first Linux system
> > > I have spoken with some Linux users locally and the general consensus
> from
> > > those who have used both distroes is that for a first-timer Red Hat
> might
> > be
> > > an easier setup and that after I have successfully conquered setting
up
> a
> > > Red Hat box I would have enough skill to conquer setup of Debian
and/or
> > > Slackware as desired.
> > > Any thoughts?
> > > The system which I was planning to use and dedicate to setting up
Linux
> as
> > > its only operating system is a Pentium II 233 MHZ w 64 mb of ram and
two
> > > HDs, it has a sound blaster pro sound card, and it will have a Symbios
> > Logic
> > > pci video adapter or an Sys chip set based AGP though I am leaning
> toward
> > > using the AGP so as to be able to use the extra pci slot for something
> > more
> > > practical like one of the nics.
> > > I know that I should create a min of three partitions, /home, /root,
and
> a
> > > swap partition.
> > > I have rough ideas of how big I want these partitions to be based on
> what
> > I
> > > wish to do with the server from a functional point of view.
> > > The two HDs are 1.6 gb and 2 gb in size respectively.
> > > From a point of view of incorporating some level of fault tolerance in
> the
> > > system I was thinking the root partition and the swap partition should
> go
> > on
> > > /dev/hda and the home partition should go on /dev/hdb.
> > >         This would make system backup more convenient as I would only
> have
> > > to backup the /dev/hdb drive to save user data.
> > > In the event that I do anything to cause the kernel to blow up I could
> > > simply flatten /dev/hda and re-install it and re-create the user
> accounts
> > > whose data is still stored on /dev/hdb and or my backups.
> > >   I was figuring that I would optimize hd space usage by using the 2
gb
> > > drive as /dev/hda and use the 1.6 gb as /dev/hdb as I don't estimate
> that
> > my
> > > system would have any more than 2 too 5 users, root, an user account,
> for
> > > myself, and one too three accounts that I might create to facilitate
my
> > own
> > > fooling around and attempting to learn more about Linux aside from the
> > > accounts which some Linux services, processes create after they are
> > compiled
> > > into the kernel and started.
> > > I was also thinking of putting a min of two nics into the system so it
> > could
> > > be used to store a dynamic routing table for dns and create an ip
subnet
> > > mask so though I am paying for only one ip through my cable internet
> > service
> > > provider all the machines I have at home could both access the
internet
> > and
> > > be accessed from the internet by me.
> > > I know that steps to create an ip subnet mask and setup dns are well
> > > documented at linuxdoc.org and I enjoy reading tech docs as required
so
> I
> > > won't bor you guys with questions that have already been answered
> > elsewhere.
> > > I have read the readme files pertaining to speakup when it is
installed
> > with
> > > both Red Hat 7 and 7.2 respectively and I already have copies of both
> > > versions gotten directly from a Red Hat mirror.
> > > Due to the fact that easy-to-use boot disk images are available for
7.0
> > and
> > > I don't need to modify any software which I already have other than
> > > downloading the appropriate boot image and using rawrite to copy it to
> > > floppy it seems that this would be the best distro to choose in my
case.
> > > In reading the speakup-related readme for Red Hat 7.2 it seems that I
> > would
> > > have to radically alter the CDs I already have to make it work with
> > speakup
> > > and I don't really want the extra work at the moment.
> > > Lastly, for synths I have two Accents, a pc and an sa, a transport,
and
> a
> > > BNS.
> > > From the collective experience of others, is there one which is easier
> to
> > > get talking or which works better than any of the others given the
ones
> I
> > > have available to me or is it just a question of me choosing the one I
> > like
> > > to listen to the most and choosing to use it over any of the others.
> > >
> > > In closing, thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any thoughts on what
I've
> > > written and guidance as to whether I am hitting a home run or if I am
> very
> > > much out in left field so to speak.
> > > Any and all opinions welcome either sent to the listserve or to me
> > directly
> > > using either ed.barnes at janus.northatlantic.nf.ca or
ebarnes at superweb.ca.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
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