So much Windows Mailer crap on this list...

[Janina Sajka]

David:

Is that what M$ calls Windows 1252 character set? Western?

In Pine, your mail always starts out with the following three lines that 
Pine inserts:


    [ The following text is in the "Windows-1252" character set. ]
    [ Your display is set for the "iso-8859-1" character set.  ]
    [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]

Now, as you and I both know, sighted people barely tend to even notice 
this stuff. But, we have to hack through it somehow--annoying perhaps, but 
reasonable enough if there's some content once one gets inside the mail. 
The trouble is, that a lot of stuff gets dumped with screenfuls of 
forwards, and unedited headers, and urls that are written for servers and 
not humans, and, and, and, well, you know what I mean, I think.

 On Fri, 1 
Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:

> I have my mailer set to output plain text and my script set to western.
> If windows obeys my commands, you get the kind of mail you should get.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Borowski" <brianb at braille.uwo.ca>
> To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:41 PM
> Subject: Re: So much Windows Mailer crap on this list...
> 
> 
> Greg:
> Maybe they can't aford a modem, but they sure can adjust settings to
> reduce
> crap in their out-going mail, and if they don't know how, then find
> someone
> who can help get through the settings and change it.  The idea, that an
> empty message from a standard windows email client contains about 2K of
> nothing is just stupid and a waste...
> 
> Brian Borowski
> 
> 
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
> > Fortunately, this doesn't appply to me anymore since I got broadband.
> But, you know, hardware modems are not exactly cheap. Yes, there are
> some gnu/linux drivers for windows modems, but not everyone has a
> supported modem. So, if you'd like people on this list to be using pine,
> mutt, ETC. for their mail, take into consideration the fact that not
> everyone here can aford a new modem, or an expensive broadband
> connection.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 07:20:50AM -0500, Brian Borowski wrote:
> > > I guess this has been discussed bofore, but I can't help doing it
> again.
> > > Why do so many people use outlook and other Windows utilities to
> post to
> > > this list?  It's understandable if you're a new user, but doing it
> for a
> > > year or two, makes me wonder; if you're a Windows user and never
> want to
> > > use linux to do your stuff; get off the list, and stop polluting it
> with
> > > crap.  If you're a  windows user, and insist on posting (especially
> for
> > > some of those high-volume posters), then change your settings so
> that we
> > > don't have to se a couple of Kbytes of header, and shut off the damn
> html
> > > repeat of your message that shows up at the end.  It may come as a
> big
> > > surprise to some people, but when us people who use pine and other
> mail
> > > readers have to go through hundreds of messages; we don't want to
> see
> > > (hear) all that garbage; it's a nuisance, and it slows us down
> terribly,
> > > just trying to get through the list.
> > >
> > > Also, I'm in complete agreement with the complaints about including
> > > messages including messages, including messages within eachother
> until
> > > things get huge; it's a waste of bandwidth, and time.  I also
> notice, that
> > > some users seem to post multiple copies of their messages; please,
> have
> > > pity on us who read our mail?  While I'm complaining:
> > > Why do people include 50 or 100 lines of others messages, and then
> put
> > > their one line comment about it right at the end of all that stuff?
> My
> > > advice, is that if you're going to include all that stuff, and have
> five or
> > > ten words to say about; why not put your comment at the top, and
> save us
> > > all that reading through stuff we've probably already seen before
> so many
> > > times?
> > >
> > > Brian Borowski
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina at afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org