Help the Floundering Newbie!

[Victor Tsaran]

Well, MySQL also has WIndows-based administration toolkit and an
command-line client.
Best,
Victor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Holmes, Steve" <SAHolmes at ahcccs.state.az.us>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: Help the Floundering Newbie!


> I think you may have answered some of your own questions already.  For
> remote access, I use Telnet over a network.  I've done this from other
linux
> machines running speakup and from windows telnet clients.  Both methods
> worked well for me.
>
> My total programming experienced involved using an optacon and later
moving
> to speech when it became available.  Speech wins out over the optacon
hands
> down.  Optacon was nice for looking at layout and format.  I could never
> afford braille devices so can't comment on their effectiveness.  I have
all
> punctions turned on in my speech environment so I don't miss the commas
and
> semicolons and stuff.  When I use Window-Eyes in environments like Visual
> Basic, I can use a "mixed case" mode which will properly pronounce complex
> variable names such as SingleMouseClick as "single mouse click" - separate
> words.  Little enhancements like this make programming in a speech
> environment pretty tolerable (to me at least).
>
> One linux compatible database server (postgresql from www.postgres.org)
can
> be coupled into perl scripts and web based applications.  In fact, this
> server can be remote accessed via TCP/IP also.  The default client that
> comes with it is a commandline based thing that works well in a text based
> environment.  In fact, they have a windows client that can be used to
> administer it as well.  I haven't had a chance to check this client out to
> see how accessible it is though.
>
> These ideas don't have much to do with speakup specifically but I hope
they
> are of some help.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rjc [mailto:rjc at MIT.EDU]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:00 AM
> To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Help the Floundering Newbie!
>
>
> OK, I'm still very confused about all of this. Perhaps if I describe my
> ultimate goals and what I see as my choices for accessing the linux
> environment, all you smart folks out there might have a better shot at
> helping me out -- so here goes!
>
> I want to be able to configure and administer a typical database
> driven website. Most likely, we'll use Apache, MySQL, and some combination
> of Perl and PHP. I've done my share of static html coding and have some
> knowledge of Perl and PHP.
> I have a background in unix, having done some systems admin and basic
> system's level C programming in the 80s on BSD. However, at that time I
had
> access to a refreshable braille display and had a direct serial connection
> to the unix box. The display was a big win, since I could easily deal with
> unix speak. Try reading a bash script with synthetic speech, however, and
> you'll quickly see one of the reasons I'm so frustrated today... How do
you
> guys program with speech? Well, ok, writing code is one thing, but reading
> other people's code is hard even if your sighted and have been doing it
all
> your life. How does a blind guy do it effectively with speech?
>
> To accomplish my goal, I need to find a comfortable way of working in
linux.
> The choices that I have are: remote login from PC with Jaws, local login
and
> run emacspeak with dectalk on the serial port, local login to a kernel
with
> SpeakUp compiled into it and dectalk on the serial port.
> Remote login might be the only way to go in general, since if I'm going to
> be charged with administering this server , the only connection I'll have
is
> via the network, since the server will not
> be in the same building as our office. However, sighted people would use
> Exceed or something to run an X server on windows or mac and ssh to linux.
> However, all I've got access to is a vt100 emulator and the shell. Working
> this way is cumbersome. I don't even have a file browser. Hmm, but how
about
> Samba (I think that's what its called) which allows mounting of file
systems
> between windows and linux? This may be my only realistic approach.
> Emacspeak and SpeakUp won't help me if I don't have access to the physical
> hardware. Any other suggestions? What is emacs server?
>
> Thanx in advance for any words of wisdom!
>
>                     Rich
>
>
>
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