Hewlet Packard and Linux

Gary M. Drennan drennanat at netnitco.net
Wed Aug 29 13:36:06 EDT 2001 

Hello all,

Would this mean that one could not use, for example, JFW and Internet
Explorer at the same time with Win4Lin?

Gary and Gage the Wonder Dog

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dawes, Stephen" <Stephen.Dawes at gov.calgary.ab.ca>
To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:04 AM
Subject: RE: Hewlet Packard and Linux


> The big difference is:
> Win4Lin allows you to run Windows applications under Linux, 1 at a time.
> VmWare, creates a virtual machine, to which you install the operating
> system of your choice, including additional versions of the base
> operating system.  So, you could have VmWare installed under Linux, and
> then additionally, have Linux installed under VmWare.  VmWare allows you
> to have as many Virtual machines as you want, configured the way you
> want, as long as you have the resources to handle the demand.
>
>
> Stephen Dawes B.A. B.Sc.
> Web Business Office, The City of Calgary
> PHONE:  (403) 268-5527.
> FAX: (403) 268-6423
> E-MAIL ADDRESS:  Stephen.Dawes at gov.calgary.ab.ca
> Internet: http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:romualt at megsinet.net]
> > Sent: 2001 August 28 6:21 PM
> > To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux
> >
> >
> > Then what's the difference between it
> > and win for lin?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 08:01:52AM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> > > VmWare is not free by any stretch of the imagination.  Check out
> > > www.vmware.com
> > > for all the particulars about VmWare.
> > >
> > >
> > > Stephen Dawes B.A. B.Sc.
> > > Web Business Office, The City of Calgary
> > > PHONE:  (403) 268-5527.
> > > FAX: (403) 268-6423
> > > E-MAIL ADDRESS:  Stephen.Dawes at gov.calgary.ab.ca
> > > Internet: http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:romualt at megsinet.net]
> > > > Sent: 2001 August 28 7:08 AM
> > > > To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > > > Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, you're saying that if I grab
> > > > a sightling to help me set up vm ware in X, I can then invoke
> > > > it and run the other os from the console?
> > > > Also, this is free, unlike win for lin, right?
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 11:50:02PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > > Not exactly. VmWare runs over X, but that doesn't mean you
> > > > have to do
> > > > > anything in X once it's all set up. The setup itself is not
> > > > > accessible--but then, neither is the Windows setup process
> > > > accessible.
> > > > >  On
> > > > > Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Don't you need to use x for VmWare?
> > > > > > Greg
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 05:57:32PM -0400, Peter M.
> > Konka wrote:
> > > > > > > Shaun,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >          Before I installed Linux on my laptop, i had
> > > > the same question in
> > > > > > > my head.  Will there be any possible chance that I can
> > > > install Windows
> > > > > > > applications under my Linux machine.  The answer is
> > > > yes.  You can install
> > > > > > > windows applications under Linux.  I'm not sure exactly
> > > > how to do it, but i
> > > > > > > do know that you need a Windows emulator called VM Ware.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >          Now, the person you should speak to about this
> > > > is Janina, she
> > > > > > > explained this to me before.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >          From my understanding about this Windows
> > > > emulator, it basically
> > > > > > > turns Linux into windows, and allows you to install
> > any windows
> > > > > > > applications or drivers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >          At the moment, i installed Linux on my brand
> > > > new Toshiba
> > > > > > > laptop.  I am running Linux on  a dual boot on this
> > > > laptop, because
> > > > > > > I  wasn't sure if my drivers or hardare rather would be
> > > > compatible at
> > > > > > > all...  I heard a lot of good things about Linux, and
> > > > if i learn how to use
> > > > > > > it, i am thinking of switching from Windows to Linux on
> > > > this machine.  And
> > > > > > > I have other 2 machines at home and work, which the one
> > > > at work I am
> > > > > > > thinking of backing up my information and formatting
> > > > the drive clean and
> > > > > > > installing Linux as the only operating system.  And I
> > > > will also do that on
> > > > > > > one of the systems at home.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I will keep a Windows machine just in case.  But i have
> > > > a feeling that
> > > > > > > Linux will become my new favourite operating system
> > > > other then dos.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Peter
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 11:28 PM 8/25/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > > > > > > >I've been following this thread for a while. and
> > > > haven't decided to say
> > > > > > > >something until now.
> > > > > > > >I'm of the opinion that Linux as an operating system
> > > > accessible to the
> > > > > > > >blind, is streets ahead of it's commercial counterparts.
> > > > > > > >I say this because as a user of both operating
> > > > systems, I can see the place
> > > > > > > >for both of them. I find that windows in a normal
> > > > office environment is a
> > > > > > > >very powerful tool indeed. However, if I could have
> > > > the power of Linux and
> > > > > > > >the ease of use of windows all rolled into one, I'd be
> > > > a very happy camper.
> > > > > > > >I mean I'd like the nice frilly bits of Microsoft word
> > > > and excell and all
> > > > > > > >that but right at the moment, I haven't seen gpl
> > > > console versions of either.
> > > > > > > >Linux is a great workhorse especially if you want to
> > > > run it as a server box
> > > > > > > >or as a firewall, but I want the durability of Linux
> > > > with the ease of use
> > > > > > > >of windows but I guess for now I'll just have to learn
> > > > how to use Linux to
> > > > > > > >it's full potential.
> > > > > > > >Don't get me wrong here, I'm not complaining, just
> > > > stating how I feel on the
> > > > > > > >whole issue.
> > > > > > > >Shaun..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > >From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh at mhonline.net>
> > > > > > > >To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:59 PM
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Charlie and all -
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Your remarks about DOS are interesting - I was a
> > > > DOS fan too and actually
> > > > > > > > > never moved to Windows, except to support my
> > > > Arkenstone Open Book Unbound
> > > > > > > > > software. My machine is presently a dual boot
> > > > machine so I can se Linux to
> > > > > > > > > get work done or else at boot time select DOS (I
> > > > use the Caldera
> > > > > > > > > OpenDOS) to use my scanner software and one or two
> > > > other legacy apps.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you remember when DOS was introduced in the
> > > > early 80s, version 1.X was
> > > > > > > > > a lot like CP/M; as it was revised to 2.X and then
> > > > 3.X, it gradually
> > > > > > > > > became a lot more like Unix than CP/M, with a
> > > > hierarchical file system,
> > > > > > > > > batch files, and then later versions even had
> > online help.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now that should tell you something: namely, that
> > > > Unix was a mature
> > > > > > > > > standard for text consoles even in the early 80s
> > > > when DOS was being forged
> > > > > > > > > in Redmond. Linux of course is an Open Source and
> > > > contemporary
> > > > > > > > > implementation of Unix, and is therefore a decade
> > > > ahead of the game
> > > > > > > > > compared to DOS.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Linux is also a fundamentally dual personality
> > > > system, with its GUI being
> > > > > > > > > a robust add-on to the underlying text based
> > console system.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Linux was created as Open Source on the internet
> > > > and is maintained and
> > > > > > > > > developed there. It is a fundamental mistake to
> > > > think of it in the same
> > > > > > > > > market terms as the other major OS. Of course there
> > > > is no market for Linux
> > > > > > > > > accessibility solutions. But there are users and
> > > > there is need, and that
> > > > > > > > > need is being met by and large without benefit of
> > > > market concepts.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How do people make a living in the Open Source
> > > > world? By selling services,
> > > > > > > > > not products. Products in the Open Source world are
> > > > organic things. They
> > > > > > > > > take root, they grow, they live or die on their
> > > > merits, and they both give
> > > > > > > > > to and take from their users. There would be no
> > > > Speakup if it were
> > > > > > > > > conceived on a marketing model of accessibility
> > > > solutions,  trust me on
> > > > > > > > > that one.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So - don't worry about Linux, it is in there for
> > > > the long haul.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I was recently tempted to spring for a preinstalled
> > > > Linux system when I
> > > > > > > > > last upgraded, but opted for the "rolling my own"
> > > > solution. I am convinced
> > > > > > > > > that if I had plunked down for a package deal I
> > > > would have ended up
> > > > > > > > > overhauling it anyway.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Will Linux ever be a mass market product suitable
> > > > for the people who check
> > > > > > > > > their email once a week and want their machine to
> > > > do what they want, and
> > > > > > > > > not what they say? Probably not. There may always
> > > > be a niche for a
> > > > > > > > > Windows-type OS with its closely guarded secrets
> > > > and predatory practices,
> > > > > > > > > with all the insides protected from meddling users
> > > > and all the decision
> > > > > > > > > details already made for them.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best regards - and welcome to the list!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Chuck
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > > > > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (46% of Full)
> > > > > > > > >
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