Hewlet Packard and Linux
Dawes, Stephen
Stephen.Dawes at gov.calgary.ab.ca
Wed Aug 29 10:04:30 EDT 2001
The big difference is:
Win4Lin allows you to run Windows applications under Linux, 1 at a time.
VmWare, creates a virtual machine, to which you install the operating
system of your choice, including additional versions of the base
operating system. So, you could have VmWare installed under Linux, and
then additionally, have Linux installed under VmWare. VmWare allows you
to have as many Virtual machines as you want, configured the way you
want, as long as you have the resources to handle the demand.
Stephen Dawes B.A. B.Sc.
Web Business Office, The City of Calgary
PHONE: (403) 268-5527.
FAX: (403) 268-6423
E-MAIL ADDRESS: Stephen.Dawes at gov.calgary.ab.ca
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:romualt at megsinet.net]
> Sent: 2001 August 28 6:21 PM
> To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux
>
>
> Then what's the difference between it
> and win for lin?
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 08:01:52AM -0600, Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> > VmWare is not free by any stretch of the imagination. Check out
> > www.vmware.com
> > for all the particulars about VmWare.
> >
> >
> > Stephen Dawes B.A. B.Sc.
> > Web Business Office, The City of Calgary
> > PHONE: (403) 268-5527.
> > FAX: (403) 268-6423
> > E-MAIL ADDRESS: Stephen.Dawes at gov.calgary.ab.ca
> > Internet: http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:romualt at megsinet.net]
> > > Sent: 2001 August 28 7:08 AM
> > > To: speakup at braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux
> > >
> > >
> > > So, you're saying that if I grab
> > > a sightling to help me set up vm ware in X, I can then invoke
> > > it and run the other os from the console?
> > > Also, this is free, unlike win for lin, right?
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 11:50:02PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > Not exactly. VmWare runs over X, but that doesn't mean you
> > > have to do
> > > > anything in X once it's all set up. The setup itself is not
> > > > accessible--but then, neither is the Windows setup process
> > > accessible.
> > > > On
> > > > Mon, 27 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Don't you need to use x for VmWare?
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 05:57:32PM -0400, Peter M.
> Konka wrote:
> > > > > > Shaun,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before I installed Linux on my laptop, i had
> > > the same question in
> > > > > > my head. Will there be any possible chance that I can
> > > install Windows
> > > > > > applications under my Linux machine. The answer is
> > > yes. You can install
> > > > > > windows applications under Linux. I'm not sure exactly
> > > how to do it, but i
> > > > > > do know that you need a Windows emulator called VM Ware.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now, the person you should speak to about this
> > > is Janina, she
> > > > > > explained this to me before.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From my understanding about this Windows
> > > emulator, it basically
> > > > > > turns Linux into windows, and allows you to install
> any windows
> > > > > > applications or drivers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At the moment, i installed Linux on my brand
> > > new Toshiba
> > > > > > laptop. I am running Linux on a dual boot on this
> > > laptop, because
> > > > > > I wasn't sure if my drivers or hardare rather would be
> > > compatible at
> > > > > > all... I heard a lot of good things about Linux, and
> > > if i learn how to use
> > > > > > it, i am thinking of switching from Windows to Linux on
> > > this machine. And
> > > > > > I have other 2 machines at home and work, which the one
> > > at work I am
> > > > > > thinking of backing up my information and formatting
> > > the drive clean and
> > > > > > installing Linux as the only operating system. And I
> > > will also do that on
> > > > > > one of the systems at home.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will keep a Windows machine just in case. But i have
> > > a feeling that
> > > > > > Linux will become my new favourite operating system
> > > other then dos.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Peter
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At 11:28 PM 8/25/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > > > > > >I've been following this thread for a while. and
> > > haven't decided to say
> > > > > > >something until now.
> > > > > > >I'm of the opinion that Linux as an operating system
> > > accessible to the
> > > > > > >blind, is streets ahead of it's commercial counterparts.
> > > > > > >I say this because as a user of both operating
> > > systems, I can see the place
> > > > > > >for both of them. I find that windows in a normal
> > > office environment is a
> > > > > > >very powerful tool indeed. However, if I could have
> > > the power of Linux and
> > > > > > >the ease of use of windows all rolled into one, I'd be
> > > a very happy camper.
> > > > > > >I mean I'd like the nice frilly bits of Microsoft word
> > > and excell and all
> > > > > > >that but right at the moment, I haven't seen gpl
> > > console versions of either.
> > > > > > >Linux is a great workhorse especially if you want to
> > > run it as a server box
> > > > > > >or as a firewall, but I want the durability of Linux
> > > with the ease of use
> > > > > > >of windows but I guess for now I'll just have to learn
> > > how to use Linux to
> > > > > > >it's full potential.
> > > > > > >Don't get me wrong here, I'm not complaining, just
> > > stating how I feel on the
> > > > > > >whole issue.
> > > > > > >Shaun..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh at mhonline.net>
> > > > > > >To: <speakup at braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > > >Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:59 PM
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: Hewlet Packard and Linux
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Charlie and all -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Your remarks about DOS are interesting - I was a
> > > DOS fan too and actually
> > > > > > > > never moved to Windows, except to support my
> > > Arkenstone Open Book Unbound
> > > > > > > > software. My machine is presently a dual boot
> > > machine so I can se Linux to
> > > > > > > > get work done or else at boot time select DOS (I
> > > use the Caldera
> > > > > > > > OpenDOS) to use my scanner software and one or two
> > > other legacy apps.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you remember when DOS was introduced in the
> > > early 80s, version 1.X was
> > > > > > > > a lot like CP/M; as it was revised to 2.X and then
> > > 3.X, it gradually
> > > > > > > > became a lot more like Unix than CP/M, with a
> > > hierarchical file system,
> > > > > > > > batch files, and then later versions even had
> online help.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now that should tell you something: namely, that
> > > Unix was a mature
> > > > > > > > standard for text consoles even in the early 80s
> > > when DOS was being forged
> > > > > > > > in Redmond. Linux of course is an Open Source and
> > > contemporary
> > > > > > > > implementation of Unix, and is therefore a decade
> > > ahead of the game
> > > > > > > > compared to DOS.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Linux is also a fundamentally dual personality
> > > system, with its GUI being
> > > > > > > > a robust add-on to the underlying text based
> console system.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Linux was created as Open Source on the internet
> > > and is maintained and
> > > > > > > > developed there. It is a fundamental mistake to
> > > think of it in the same
> > > > > > > > market terms as the other major OS. Of course there
> > > is no market for Linux
> > > > > > > > accessibility solutions. But there are users and
> > > there is need, and that
> > > > > > > > need is being met by and large without benefit of
> > > market concepts.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > How do people make a living in the Open Source
> > > world? By selling services,
> > > > > > > > not products. Products in the Open Source world are
> > > organic things. They
> > > > > > > > take root, they grow, they live or die on their
> > > merits, and they both give
> > > > > > > > to and take from their users. There would be no
> > > Speakup if it were
> > > > > > > > conceived on a marketing model of accessibility
> > > solutions, trust me on
> > > > > > > > that one.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So - don't worry about Linux, it is in there for
> > > the long haul.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was recently tempted to spring for a preinstalled
> > > Linux system when I
> > > > > > > > last upgraded, but opted for the "rolling my own"
> > > solution. I am convinced
> > > > > > > > that if I had plunked down for a package deal I
> > > would have ended up
> > > > > > > > overhauling it anyway.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Will Linux ever be a mass market product suitable
> > > for the people who check
> > > > > > > > their email once a week and want their machine to
> > > do what they want, and
> > > > > > > > not what they say? Probably not. There may always
> > > be a niche for a
> > > > > > > > Windows-type OS with its closely guarded secrets
> > > and predatory practices,
> > > > > > > > with all the insides protected from meddling users
> > > and all the decision
> > > > > > > > details already made for them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best regards - and welcome to the list!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Chuck
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > > > > > > The Moon is Waxing Crescent (46% of Full)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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